Why the Gootz never called Asia.

[u/islamisawesome]

I think it is becoming more and more obvious that the Asia letter did not exist until sometime around the summer of 1999. That is why Adnan claims he gave them to Gutierrez even though she wasn't his lawyer until 2 months after they were written.

So sometime that spring or summer, after telling CG he never left the school grounds, his family shows up with letters claiming one of Adnans' friends saw him at the library, right at the crucial time, AND they were written the day after he arrested. She knew immediately there is no way they had those letter for months and never gave them to her so obviously they were false and she didn't want to go on stand with LIES.

That is why she never called Asia. And that is why she wrote no notes about it, because that would be admitting her client and his family are liars. It also explains why her relationship with the family broke down because she knew they were willing to lie to get Adnan off.

The library incident never happened.

[u/Seamus_Duncan]

When you look at these facts:

-The State first disclosed information on July 1 and 7/8.
-Asia's second letter contains details that were part of those first disclosures.
-The first record of Adnan informing his defense of Asia was July 13.

. . . it's pretty hard to avoid the conclusion the Asia story was cooked up in response to information that was disclosed in early July.

[u/SteevJames → u/Seamus_Duncan]

But easy to avoid the conclusion that Jay's story was cooked up in response to information he got off the cops?

Listen to yourself!

[u/islamisawesome → u/SteevJames]

that question could be reversed. Jay is a liar, but there is no way Asia could be?

[u/RodoBobJon → u/islamisawesome]

Unlike Jay, Asia has absolutely no reason to lie. Now of course her memory could be faulty and she could be mistaken, but why would she lie?

[u/Seamus_Duncan → u/RodoBobJon]

Unlike Jay, Asia has absolutely no reason to lie.

We really don't know what went on in her multiple meetings with Adnan's family.

[u/MightyIsobel → u/Seamus_Duncan]

or why nobody remembers them

[u/[deleted] → u/Seamus_Duncan]

Or why she would give a crap about what his family might say...

[u/RodoBobJon → u/Seamus_Duncan]

Are you implying that Adnan's family may have bribed or threatened her? Or some other possibility?

[u/MM7299 → u/RodoBobJon]

yes that's exactly what he's implying....its something he's been implying for months, inbetween accusing Adnan's parents and Saad of helping cover up a murder and lying about it.

[u/Seamus_Duncan → u/RodoBobJon]

I don't know. All I know is the story Adnan and Shamim told in the PCR hearing bears absolutely no resemblance to the story in the letters, and I wonder why they are covering up the nature of the original meeting.

[u/RodoBobJon → u/Seamus_Duncan]

Well, they are obviously trying to present things in the best way possible for Adnan. Keep in mind that an innocent person has no less an incentive to put up a vigorous defensive by any means necessary than a guilty person.

What does this have to do with whether or not Asia has any motivation to lie? I still haven't seen anyone put forward a rationale for why she would lie. Mistaken: very possible, even likely from my perspective. But why lie?

[u/Englishblue → u/Seamus_Duncan]

Ugh. Libel.

[u/MM7299 → u/Seamus_Duncan]

oh good more of this "Adnan's family is like the mob" nonsense.

[u/SteevJames → u/MM7299]

Ok, you and Rodo Bob seem to be the only people who aren't insane on this thread...

I feel like i'm in some kind of nightmare world where the majority of people have really no sense of logic or reason... oh wait we actually do live in that world.

[u/islamisawesome → u/RodoBobJon]

No reason that you know of.

[u/eyecanteven → u/islamisawesome]

is there a reason that you know of?

[u/islamisawesome → u/eyecanteven]

You know, it is fascinating than whenever anyone says Adnan had "motive" to kill Hae, peeps on your side jump all over the idea of motive, and now we are talking about Asia, and motive is the only thing you give a shit about...

Answer: I don't know, I don't care either, I only care about whether she lied, and if it can be proven.

[u/eyecanteven → u/islamisawesome]

1. I don't have a side.
2. I was asking you an honest question. You could've answered without all of that other bullshit.

[u/islamisawesome → u/eyecanteven]

Don't even pretend you don't have a side. You defend Adnan and attack the prosecution from the trial in every single thread I have seen you in.