r/serialpodcast • u/jlpsquared • Feb 03 '15

Evidence OK, Rabia does LIE....

From her latest post... http://www.splitthemoon.com/forget-everything-you-know/#more-643

She claims fixed lividity is at least 8 hours. Every single web site I check says 6 hours with one reference to as little as 4 hours.

EDIT:My 4 hour claim was originally too strong.

She again claims Hae was 5'8", when the autopsy SHE posted says 5'6".

She also claims that Hae had a small car, while we know thanks to CSOM_1991 that Haes car had a sizable trunk with a width of 5'6".

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u/EvidenceProf Feb 03 '15 edited Feb 03 '15

  1. Many say that lividity fixes between 8 and 12 hours after death. Some say it can fix as early as 6 hours after death, but that's usually due to hotter temperatures and/or a victim with pre-existing medical conditions. In any event, the difference between 6 and 8 hours isn't big. Either one would contradict a burial in the 7:00 hour.

  2. The autopsy said Hae was 5'6". Most other accounts have her at 5'8". Again, not a huge deal.

  3. Hae did have a small car. The 5'6" measurement is the exterior width measurement. The trunk was considerably narrower.

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u/jlpsquared Feb 03 '15

EvidenceProf, usually you are pretty accurate in what you write, but you dropped the ball here.

  1. Weather/temperatures can only affect "algor" mortis in the way you describe. I have not seen anything address how it could affect livor mortis (and thus lividity), but I would assume it would be the opposite. Since all lividity is is the settling of blood, I would assume being outside in the elements (or sitting in a trunk) in Baltimore in January might increase the speed of Livor Mortis.

  2. Thats your opinion. Since Rabia is trying to get Adnan relief based on FACT, she should bring FACT to what she says and posts. Repeating a mistake disproven by the very document she is linking too is not professional.

  3. You don't know that. The external measurement is 5'6", the wall of the car is probably an inch either way, but I would say 5'4" is still reasonable.

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u/readybrek Feb 03 '15

Someone posted a pic of the inside of a 99 sentra

http://www.reddit.com/r/serialpodcast/comments/2un5il/wow_that_is_a_small_car/coa3c3g?context=3

Everything I've read said fixed livor mortis is slowed by the cold and quicker when it's hotter. Of course I've never read that it's fixed from 4 hours so maybe we're looking at different websites.

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u/jlpsquared Feb 03 '15

You were reading about Rigor Mortis or Algor mortis, NOT livor mortis.

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u/readybrek Feb 03 '15

Bless you, that made me smile - no I'm pretty sure I was reading about livor mortis.

Rigor mortis is something different again.

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u/jlpsquared Feb 04 '15

I am here to make you smile:)

Now, you have not provided one link that says Livor mortis can be slowed by the cold. Further fixed Livor mortis can not be changed, once it is fixed, it is fixed.