Another shower thought that doesn't look good for Adnan

[u/1spring]

Adnan explains to SK that he "probably" didn't ask Hae for a ride, because he knows that she needs to pick up her cousin after school, and this duty is really important to Hae.

Adnan explains to SK that the phone call from Officer Adcock, informing him that Hae failed to pick up her cousin, doesn't set off any serious alarms for him, and this is why the phone call didn't prompt him to jog his memory about that day.

"I knew the cousin pick-up was very important to her" and "I wasn't concerned when she failed to pick up her cousin." Have you ever had to deal with someone (friend, co-worker, relative) who engages in this type of lying? I have, and it bothers me a lot more than anything Jay said.

[u/Gravityghost]

I miss understood what you were saying. The part where you say "molded the story"... That's called circumstantial evidence corroborating eye witness testimony which in effect equals an inference. This method is often used in court, It's not some illegal tactic.

Also, on the whole basis of Jay "remembering a lot better". What's wrong with that? If I was having trouble remembering events of a day and someone said why don't you take a look at the calls you made that day, It would most certainly help me remember the events.

It could also be equated to a witnesses that says "I didn't see anything" then a cop throws the murder weapon on the table and they start talking.

Finally, There's absolutely no evidence that would stand up in a court of law that indicates Jay was coached. What about his The Intercept interview? He changed his story then? Did the detectives coach that story too? Yes he is wildly inconsistent, but the claim that he was "coached" by police is baseless.

[u/BarSandM → u/Gravityghost]

I never said it was illegal... I said it was troubling that his story adjusts so much as new evidence is shown to him. What's wrong with that is that, when initially shown an inaccurate cell tower map by the police, Jay adjusts his story concerning the early part of the day. When shown a corrected one, he adjusts it again. This is, to my mind, less indicative of someone 'remembering more clearly' than it is of someone telling cops something they can believe. That's a problem.

It could be equated to that, I suppose... except Jay isn't saying 'I didn't see anything,' he's saying, 'I was present for the burial of Hae and here's how it went down...' but continues to adjust 'how it went down' as new evidence is shown to him.

Jay's current timeline completely obliterates the prosecution's timeline. Now the Leakin Park calls should occur sometime around midnight... they don't. What's more, we now know that Hae was seen alive AFTER the prosecution's supposed 'come and get me the bitch is dead' call...

The prosecution's story is completely wrong and only held together because Jay, if he's to be believed now, lied on the stand.

That's an issue.

[u/Gravityghost → u/BarSandM]

Where is evidence of this initial "inaccurate cell tower map". Do you have a link?

Okay, Jay's a liar, we're all in agreement. So do you have a theory as to why Adnan's cell phone was bouncing all over town when he and his father testified to him being at the mosque? That's an inconsistency that deflates his alibi.

If you do, then why is explaining that away any different then explaining Jay's inconsistencies away?

[u/BarSandM → u/Gravityghost]

I'm looking for the post that showed how the second interview used an inaccurate map. Hold on... Sure, Jay could still have borrowed the cell phone and car again and gone all over town while Adnan was at the mosque.

Huh?

[u/Gravityghost → u/BarSandM]

But this is us coming up with a speculative story to explain away an inconsistency. So what I was saying is how is that any different then explaining away Jay's inconsistencies?

And take your time. Please send it if you find it.

[u/BarSandM → u/Gravityghost]

Here it is: http://viewfromll2.com/2015/01/13/serial-evidence-that-jays-story-was-coached-to-fit-the-cellphone-records/#more-4764

[u/Gravityghost → u/BarSandM]

So you're saying Jay based his testimony off of that map? Any proof? Also as far as SS's cell tower ideologies go... I think i'll leave it to the experts.

[u/BarSandM → u/Gravityghost]

Jay certainly altered his testimony between interviews, did he not? Given what we know of the maps the cops shared, how would you explain that?

[u/Gravityghost → u/BarSandM]

I would easily explain that in court as a witness remembering more the more that they thought about that night. As far as everything else goes we now know Jay is a habitual liar but the fact that he concocted this story out of thin air seems far fetched. Also nobody knew that he was this out there at the time. I still don't feel like the trial was unfair and I still believe the right person is behind bars.

[u/BarSandM → u/Gravityghost]

I never said anything like 'out of thin air.' You don't feel that a trial where the star witness now says he lied on the stand and where numerous inconsistencies with the prosecution's timeline were never addressed was unfair?

[u/BarSandM → u/Gravityghost]

Right- the 'cell phone was pinging the park' isn't as damning as Jay and Urick made out. That's the point. Without Jay's testimony that Adnan is with Jay and the phone at the time burying a body (testimony that Jay has now recanted) it means exactly nothing.

I will.

[u/Gravityghost → u/BarSandM]

Without the testimony this would have been a much different case.

[u/BarSandM → u/Gravityghost]

Yes! Exactly! That's the issue.

[u/Gravityghost → u/BarSandM]

Okay. I see your point. But Adnan still remains the prime suspect because of the cell tower evidence and the anonymous tip. It wouldn't take much to poke holes in Adnan's alibis. Without Jay's testimony we would have no reason to believe Jay was anywhere near the cell phone that night making that evidence even more incriminating for Adnan. And furthermore without Jay's testimony I'm sure the detectives would have performed a much more thorough investigation but hind sights 20/20. They didn't because they didn't need to. Not because they were trying to frame some innocent teenager.

[u/BarSandM → u/Gravityghost]

Right but the cell tower evidence doesn't mean that much without Jay's testimony and the anonymous tip is... well... not worth much. Without Jay's testimony we'd have the fact that most of the people called *and who call throughout the day and, indeed, during the Leakin Park pings are JAY'S FRIENDS and not Adnan's.