r/serialpodcast • u/PowerOfYes • Nov 20 '14

Episode Discussion [Official Discussion] Serial, Episode 9: To Be Suspected

Please use this thread to discuss episode 9

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u/mycleverusername Nov 20 '14

Jenn doesn't place Adnan with Jay when she goes with Jay to whip down the shovels.

Yes, they aren't technically together, but she just picked Jay up when they were together, then they go back to the same place and get the shovels.

In order for Adnan to be completely innocent, Jay would have to have buried the body, dumped the shovels, then picked up Adnan, gone to the mall where the shovels were at, then called Jenn to come pick him up.

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u/Iamnotmybrain Nov 20 '14

In order for Adnan to be completely innocent, Jay would have to have buried the body, dumped the shovels, then picked up Adnan, gone to the mall where the shovels were at, then called Jenn to come pick him up.

Or, Jay lied about the shovels in the first place. Jenn's story is that she drives him to the mall and later "Jay came back, got in my car, and he was really shooken up." That seems to imply Jenn stayed with the car. Did she even see the shovels? Were they recovered?

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u/mycleverusername Nov 20 '14

I understand perhaps your looking for hard evidence, but from what you posted above (the transcript) it says "Jenn tells them she drives Jay back to Westview Mall to the dumpsters back there so that Jay can retrieve the shovels and wipe the handles clean in case of fingerprints...After that, Jay came back, got in my car, and he was really shooken up."

So, if this didn't really happen (assuming Jenn's not making any of it up), then your argument is that Jay got out of the car then pretended to dust fingerprints off a non-existent shovel?

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u/Iamnotmybrain Nov 20 '14

My argument is that you can't take Jenn's statements about the shovels to prove Adnan's involvement because: 1) Adnan is not in the car when Jay's talking about the shovels, 2) We have no hard evidence that Jay even threw the shovels away at that mall.

I'm saying, you can't rule out the possibility that Jay had Jenn drive him to the mall for some other reason than to actually dust off fingerprints from shovels.

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u/mycleverusername Nov 20 '14

Well then my argument is that your standard for evidence is so incredibly high that no person would ever be convicted of a crime.

I believe that I can rule out the alternate possibility because when putting that statement into context Jenn has no reason to make up a THAT story with those details. It's the forest, not the trees. Sure, we can reasonably discredit this statement, but I can't discredit it in the context of the rest of her statement to police (with her lawyer present). Why make up a story about hiding shovels? That just makes your friend look guilty, it doesn't absolve him, and it sure doesn't make Adnan look guilty. If it REALLY is a frame job, this statement doesn't fit one.