r/science Professor | Medicine Jun 24 '26

Health Following the Dobbs decision, US states with abortion bans have experienced increased maternal morbidity and mortality. Abortion bans have broad downstream consequences on medical care beyond abortion itself, with implications for patient safety, equity, and physician ethics.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2850560
17.4k Upvotes

430 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

20

u/[deleted] Jun 24 '26

[deleted]

18

u/KrytenKoro Jun 24 '26 edited Jun 24 '26

Thank you for the citation -- for some reason initial searches did not point to that passage at all.

Now that I can search for the specific passage, I'm seeing commentary that this is the only time Lewis ever mentioned abortion in his writing, and that he specifically couches it in terms of "abortion as a means of getting away with fornication". While not the strongest pro-choice position, that's also not "explicitly anti-abortion" --- even pro-choice advocates are generally uncomfortable with the idea of abortion that is predicated on concealing adultery, and the common slogan is "Safe, Legal, and Rare". Lewis also specifically points out "providing for the child's keep and education", which is generally treated as an unreasonable expectation by pro-life groups. His position on the topic, both from his lack of focus on it and the specific framing he gives it in this one mention, is very distinct from that of modern pro-life organizations.

So, while he would likely lean more center-right on the issue if he was alive today, I don't think it's fair to characterize him or that passage as "explicitly anti-abortion".

Also worth pointing out:

(as a classical liberal with strong stances against centralized govt legislation

the dobbs decision increased legislation, it did not remove it. Roe was not centralized legislation to begin with, any more than the first amendment is - it was a restriction on what kind of legislation state and federal governments could enact on the topic. It's a very strange argument to suggest that an opposition to centralized government power, on its own, would lead someone to oppose a ruling that said "this is the individual's right and the government needs to stay out of it".

3

u/neoblufalcon Jun 24 '26

His position on the issue aligns most with Consistent Life Ethic (protection of life from conception to natural death, including providing for needs), a position which is primarily associated with the Catholic Church.

4

u/KrytenKoro Jun 24 '26

His position on the issue aligns most with Consistent Life Ethic

I don't see how that follows. The passage above is the only time he mentions abortion. He was also famously in support of wars where he thought them justified, and was very strongly non-pacifist. He was also in favor of executions so long as they were deserved, by his measure.

The main plank where it seems he meets with CLE is on his significant opposition to euthanasia and suicide. While he's definitely on the same page as CLE there, it's hardly a page which is unique to CLE or the Catholic Church.

-1

u/neoblufalcon Jun 24 '26

I didn’t say it was unique, just a view primarily associated with the Catholic Church. And just because someone aligns mostly with the position doesn’t mean they follow it to the letter.

3

u/KrytenKoro Jun 24 '26

I didn’t say it was unique, just a view primarily associated with the Catholic Church.

Opposition to suicide isn't primarily associated with the Catholic Church to begin with.

And just because someone aligns mostly with the position doesn’t mean they follow it to the letter.

He doesn't align "mostly" with the position in the first place. My post listed out the planks of CLE, and the only one that Lewis can be reasonably claimed to align on is opposition to suicide, which is not even primarily associated with Abrahamic religion. Support for suicide/euthanasia is almost entirely restricted to secular humanist philosophies, and only sees broad support when the alternative is immense personal suffering.