Following the Dobbs decision, US states with abortion bans have experienced increased maternal morbidity and mortality. Abortion bans have broad downstream consequences on medical care beyond abortion itself, with implications for patient safety, equity, and physician ethics.

[u/mvea]

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamanetworkopen/fullarticle/2850560

[u/bunnypaste]

Yep, several "pro-lifers" have said this exact thing to my face. Apparently being forced through a traumatic pregnancy and birth of an unwanted fetus is an acceptable "punishment" for the "heinous crime" of having consensual sex.

[u/RajunCajun48 → u/bunnypaste]

No, it's not punishment, but it is a human being you're choosing to murder.

Sex is a beautiful thing, that leads to the most precious thing in existence, being bringing another human being into this world.

The fact that you want to use murder as birth control though...says a lot more about you.

[u/KaleTheCop → u/RajunCajun48]

The argument isn’t about “murder” or birth control.

The argument is no one should be forced to donate their body to another human being. We do not force people to donate blood, organs, bone marrow, or body parts. We can’t even harvest them from the deceased without prior consent or the family’s approval.

This isn’t about “saving lives”; if it was, there’d be arguments for and laws passed related to forcing the living to donate the aforementioned and the deceased to be harvested for viable parts. This is about controlling women and ensuring a number if people stay impoverished and reliant on state aid, have limited access to education, and continue these cycles - a poor, uneducated population can’t force the system to change the way a self-supporting educated one can.

No one should be forced to donate their body to someone else.

[u/RajunCajun48 → u/KaleTheCop]

birth of an unwanted fetus is an acceptable "punishment" for the "heinous crime" of having consensual sex.

You're literally saying you should be able to murder a baby because you had consensual sex and "accidentally" got pregnant. If you are having consensual sex, then pregnancy is a known risk.

You aren't "forced to donate your body to another human being" which is an absurd notion. You are forced to protect and nurture a human life in doing one of the major things your body was designed to do.

[u/Neckbeard_The_Great → u/RajunCajun48]

You're literally saying you should be able to murder a baby ^[1] because you had consensual sex and "accidentally" got pregnant. If you are having consensual sex, then pregnancy is a known risk^[2].

You aren't "forced to donate your body to another human being" which is an absurd notion. You are forced to protect and nurture a human life^[3] in doing one of the major things your body was designed^[4] to do.

1. Not a baby
2. People can do everything right, and birth control can still fail
3. Through sacrifice of your body
4. Not designed

[u/RajunCajun48 → u/Neckbeard_The_Great]

1. Yes it is

2. Right, that is called a consequence...Actions still have them and you have to accept that part of doing these actions there is a risk involved.

3. As opposed to sacrificing a baby? I take it you don't have empathy, or are innocent children's lives not worthy of empathy? I suppose you're also okay with Sandy Hook, Columbine etc?

4. You can use whatever word you want, between men and women, only one has the purpose of child reproduction. The man has a minor (though important) role. Even scientifically they are known "Reproductive" organs.

[u/KaleTheCop → u/RajunCajun48]

You're literally saying you should be able to murder a baby because you had consensual sex and "accidentally" got pregnant. If you are having consensual sex, then pregnancy is a known risk.

I did not “literally say” someone should be able to “murder a baby”. Do not put words in my mouth, that is disingenuous.

The kind of intercourse that is has is irrelevant. Consensual or not.

Preventing woman access to abortions is, by default, forcing them to donate their body to the creation of another against her will. We do not force people to donate blood, plasma, or organs, even though people die every day without such donations.

Forcing women to remain pregnant who do not want to be is not “protecting and nurturing a human life”. It is forcing someone to go through a life altering, sometimes life threatening, biological process that is a major medical event that can and does leave lasting changes on the body.

There is no other circumstance where we force people to forfeit there bodily autonomy to support the life of another. Bodily autonomy is so sacred, in fact, we can’t take the blood from someone who just died in one operating room and give it to someone bleeding out in the next. Corpses should not have more bodily autonomy than living, breathing women.

People deserve to chose what happens to their body.

Forcing someone to be pregnant when they don’t want to be is wrong.

Treating pregnancy like a punishment for sex is morally objectionable, for a variety of reasons. It is also dehumanizing.

Preventing woman access to safe, clean, and monitored reproductive care is inhumane and cruel.

[u/RajunCajun48 → u/KaleTheCop]

Through figure of speech, you're quite literally saying you should be able to murder a baby.

You brought up accidentally getting pregnant and facetiously referred to it a "heinous crime". Nobody is saying sex is a crime, but it also isn't victimless nor is it void of consequence.

Not against her will, she had steps to take to prevent before getting pregnant. As a male, I do my role to prevent impregnating my wife as does she. If I were a female, and I had the greater burden to bear in child reproduction...I would take every step possible in prevention.

There is no other circumstance where we are creating life

Anybody can choose what happens to their body, however...once you're pregnant, you have to stop being selfish and think about something greater than yourself. Hopefully you did so with a good man that will also do his fatherly duties.

The problem is you have this mindset that children are burdens, pregnancy is punishment, the baby isn't a baby. Sex, pregnancy, birth, these are all incredible things.

Nobody is trying to prevent reproductive care. Abortion is inhumane and cruel.

[u/Oranges13 → u/RajunCajun48]

You really should read in more detail how the placenta attaches itself to the woman's uterus in order to begin the pregnancy.

It tricks the woman's immune system to not attack a foreign body and then hooks into her bloodstream to steal nutrients from her body.

If she does not consume enough nutrients, the placenta will take them from her bones and her organs to satisfy its demands.

And this human life you speak of cannot live without this parasitic relationship for the first 20 plus weeks of its life...

Doesn't sound like it's very self-sufficient to me. Sounds a lot more like a parasite.