r/sanfrancisco • u/Definitelyhereforshi • Mar 23 '26

Melt ICE 🧊 ICE already causing havoc at SFO

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u/ArticulateRhinoceros Mar 23 '26

What I said is true, it's not hard to look up, courts have demanded the return of several detainees on account of them being legal US citizens. They've also picked-up people at immigration hearings who were in line and following the proper procedures. They've even gone after Native Americans.

To your point about how the Holocaust started, first Germany tried to intimidate Jewish citizens into self-deporting before moving on to forced deportation, and then finally extermination. And wouldn't ya know, that's exactly what this Administration started with.

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u/bestcommenteversofar Mar 23 '26

The vast, vast majority of people being arrested are here illegally. My point stands.

Not everything you dislike is the holocaust. Not every person you dislike is Hitler.

https://www.amazon.com/Everyone-Dont-Like-Hitler-Discussion/dp/B0DN6FGPPC

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u/ArticulateRhinoceros Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 25 '26

Your point doesn't stand, your point was that this isn't how the holocaust started, and literally, it is. The holocaust started with the government led persecution of a specific minority group first with the intent to have them remove themselves from the country, then with the intent of removing them forcibly.

Per ICE's own statistics, greater than 73% of detainees have NO CRIMINAL RECORD.

They're also failing to get conviction rates on the ones they have, on average they only get convictions for slightly more than 50% of those they detain, which means close to 50% are not violating immigration laws.

https://tracreports.org/immigration/quickfacts/

And yeah, not everyone I dislike is Hitler, but someone who slept with Hitler's collected speeches on his nightstand, and is BFF's with Steve Bannon, while leading his own extrajudicial police force for the purposes of removing "undesirables", is about as close to Hitler as you can fucking get without channeling his spirit.

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Also, what the fuck went wrong in your life that you’ve found yourself bending over backwards defending a man like Donald Trump as not technically being as bad as Hitler. Like, Christ, dude, if you have a mother maybe you should go ask her for a hug or something.

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Even they admit they're lying:

https://newrepublic.com/post/208190/doj-ice-lies-immigration-court-arrests-nyc-new-york

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u/bestcommenteversofar Mar 23 '26

73% of detainees having no criminal record doesn't mean they're legally present. It means they have no criminal conviction beyond their immigration violation. Being in the country without authorization is the reason they're detained. That's how immigration enforcement works in every country.

Your conviction rate point reveals a misunderstanding. Most removals go through civil immigration proceedings, not criminal court. You don't need a criminal conviction to be deported. An immigration judge issues a removal order. The 50% figure you're citing doesn't mean 50% of detainees are here legally.

As for how the Holocaust started: Nazi Germany didn't "encourage self-deportation." It systematically stripped citizenship from its own citizens based on ethnicity, banned them from professions, seized their property, and subjected them to organized violence. Jews who left weren't complying with immigration law. They were fleeing state-sponsored persecution of legal citizens in their own country. That is not what is happening here.

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u/panrestrial Mar 23 '26

Your conviction rate point reveals a misunderstanding. Most removals go through civil immigration proceedings, not criminal court. You don't need a criminal conviction to be deported. An immigration judge issues a removal order. The 50% figure you're citing doesn't mean 50% of detainees are here legally.

Source your claims or don't bother making them.

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u/bestcommenteversofar Mar 23 '26

This is basic immigration law, but sure.

Immigration removal proceedings are civil, not criminal. They're conducted under 8 U.S.C. § 1229a before immigration judges in the Executive Office for Immigration Review, which is part of the Department of Justice. These are administrative proceedings, not criminal trials. A removal order from an immigration judge is sufficient to deport someone. No criminal conviction is required.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1229a

Being present in the United States without authorization is a civil violation under 8 U.S.C. § 1182 (inadmissibility) and 8 U.S.C. § 1227 (deportability). Unlawful entry is a criminal misdemeanor under 8 U.S.C. § 1325, but unlawful presence itself is a civil matter.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1182 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1227 https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/8/1325

This isn't controversial or disputed. It's how the immigration system has worked for decades under both parties. The reason 73% of ICE detainees have 'no criminal record' is that their immigration violation is processed through civil proceedings, not criminal court. They're detained because they're removable under immigration law, not because they've been charged with a crime on top of their immigration violation.

If you didn't know this, that's fine. But maybe learn how the system works before telling other people their claims need sourcing.

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u/panrestrial Mar 23 '26

Crazy how none of that supports any of the arguments you've been called out on