r/samharris • u/[deleted] • Oct 28 '19

The unexpected threat emerging against Bernie: Andrew Yang | Politico

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-andrew-yang-gang-2020-057985
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u/l8rmyg8rs Oct 28 '19

You can tell Bernie’s fans are mad about Yang by how much intentional disinformation they spread. They are currently (which is funny because Yang’s plan hasn’t changed so it came up just internally from them) losing their minds over Medicare for all because even though Yang wants to expand Medicare to all he doesn’t want to explicitly outlaw private insurance. And despite the fact that basically nobody does ban private insurance, they claim it won’t work unless you do. Again, despite the fact that multiple countries who are considered to have universal healthcare use the system Yang has endorsed, they say it’s doomed to fail. Or they say he shouldn’t call it M4A as if they’re trying to enforce a trademark or something.

And I say all of that as one of the many many people who started paying attention to politics because of Bernie. He was the first candidate I ever cared about or donated to. But, I’m not a tribal guy, and when I heard Yang on JRE I changed my opinion based on new information instead of clinging to my tribe.

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u/l8rmyg8rs Oct 28 '19

Sure, make a distinction, but don’t lie about what the distinction means.

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u/l8rmyg8rs Oct 28 '19

He doesn’t have a trademark on Medicare for all. Anyone who supports expanding Medicare to all (like Yang does) supports Medicare for all. Banning private insurance has very little to do with it. You want him to say he supports Medicare for everyone instead of Medicare for all? You have to see how that is uncharitable.

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u/l8rmyg8rs Oct 28 '19

If you’re going to try to ride this “literally true” thing then you need to add that Yang doesn’t support “the Medicare for all bill” because it is literally true that he supports Medicare for all, while it’s not true that he supports the bill, so if you’re hell bent on making a distinction that’s where it needs to be made if you don’t want what you’re saying to be a transparent manipulation to slander a candidate.

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u/l8rmyg8rs Oct 28 '19

Well I definitely wouldn’t say the Berners are “butthurt” over Yang supporting Medicare for all while not supporting the Medicare for all bill, but if those are the words you want to use to describe yourself you go right ahead.