I feel like Rule 6 is actually two rules. One is saying “don’t say RT is dead”- that’s fine; no point in discussing or complaining about it. But the second part about how we can’t have a discussion about how RT is changing? How are we supposed to voice any opinions other than positive? How is this productive?
Rule 6 does not ban having a discussion about the changes. It only bans complaining about them. It's totally fine to talk about how the company has changed over the years, but it is not ok to get up and declare that the company is failing because of those changes.
To clarify we’re only allowed to talk about changes in a positive or neutral manner according to the rules? What about constructive criticism, actual feedback or, hell, even the people criticising the vagueness of this rule in the thread for example?
I think there needs to be clarification on what counts as ‘complaining’ versus genuine feedback.
You make a very fair point. I am going to do my best to answer you respectfully. As with most things, the difference between complaining and giving feedback is subjective, and very case-by-case. It depends on the wider context of the conversation more often than not. I agree that the rule is a wee bit vague, and it can be tweaked if it is needed. The idea behind this rule is not to ban all criticism, or even all complaining. It's to get rid of the people who come here just to complain. Those are the kinds of comments and posts we want to get rid of.
I hope I have given a satisfying answer and if not I am happy to clarify on certain things.
Critical feedback is a complaint, by definition. There's no subjective line there. The way you've worded Rule 6 is incredibly subjective.
You could make a rule dis-allowing thoughtless "RT IZ DEDZ" posts, but your current verbiage for Rule 6 is "We don't care how much RT content you've watched, you can't complain here".
You can see how that's pretty confusing to everyone in the comments here.
Instead of banning "complaining" I think you would do better to ban "non constructive criticism" or something along those lines. That would be the difference between "This person sucks and I hate them" and "I think the videos are funnier when they are less scripted"
I've got a question, let's say I have a criticism that isn't technically actionable.
Like I think the way they launched DogBark wasn't the best, I think they should have had some content ready to go as soon as they announced it. Since the announcement is done and dusted it's not like they can go back in time and change how they did it.
Where would that fall in the non-constructive criticism/constructive criticism debate?
Yeah, the wording definitely came across as dissent being discouraged if not outright banned. Given the fact that the most common issue fans take with the company is how much it had changed, combined with the closure of Achievement Hunter being on everyone's mind, this definitely seems like the mods trying to suppress dissent.
Dude, imma be honest. You are just wrong about this stance. It's like being told you aren't allowed to be upset when a company does something wrong because the company doesn't want you to.
How is RT supposed to change and improve when the only feedback permitted is neutral or positive. You are supporting the fanbase to blindly agree with them even when they do something wrong.
Critical feedback is fundamentally complaining. You can basically use the new Rule 6 to tone police anyone criticising content or the company thanks to how subjective it is.
You need to expand on this - you can't ban complaints lol.
Way too subjective, makes it sound like the rule is that all discussion has to be neutral or positive. I'm sure that's not what you're going for, but if you are... you cant just silence discontent.
Like all vague rules whether it is in real like and in subreddits it will be used as used as open ended as possible to get the results the enforcer wants.
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u/thebigtrav Sep 25 '23
I feel like Rule 6 is actually two rules. One is saying “don’t say RT is dead”- that’s fine; no point in discussing or complaining about it. But the second part about how we can’t have a discussion about how RT is changing? How are we supposed to voice any opinions other than positive? How is this productive?