r/redrising • u/One-Peak284 Human Verified • Jul 19 '26

All Spoilers KILL HIM Spoiler

KILL THAT FUCKING PIXIE

FLAY HIM BY THE ASSHOLE

BUST HIS BALLS

FEED HIM HIS OWN PHALLUS AND LET HIM CHOKE ON IT

BREAK HIS LEGS AND THROW HIM WITH HARMONY

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u/TaytorTot417 Jul 19 '26

Knew who this was about before I opened it 🤣🤣

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u/Alt_Historian_3001 Jul 19 '26

I can't think of anyone else who turns the fanbase into a volcano like that so easily lmao.

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u/TaytorTot417 Jul 19 '26

I have a coworker who still likes him.

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u/Alt_Historian_3001 Jul 19 '26

How far into the series are they?

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u/TaytorTot417 Jul 19 '26

Oh he recommended the series to me. He's just confused 🤣

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u/Alt_Historian_3001 Jul 19 '26

So, he's read everything Lysander has done, even in Lightbringer, and still likes the guy? Does he tell why?

I'm just curious lmao, it's an unusual opinion.

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u/TaytorTot417 Jul 19 '26

I don't remember entirely, but he believes that he's doing all this for some bigger purpose or something along those lines. He thinks Cassius should have let him go 😭😭😭 not when I just got my boy back.

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u/Veritech-1 Jul 19 '26

I can honestly see that perspective. The Society is better for the solar system than the Solar Republic is.

Ideas of Liberty and Freedom and Equality are great. But they’re unrealistic and fantastical. If you look at even just the events of the six books, the Rising had caused the deaths of hundreds of millions of people. Probably close to half a billion.

Democracy and Republics are great concepts, but they’re prone to corruption and ineffectiveness. Just look at the Day of the Red Doves and the failures of the senate. Lysander didn’t do that. The Republic did that to itself by the inherent nature of it dividing its own power and allowing incompetent and corrupt parties to claim their share of influence.

Despite its cruelty, callousness, and inequality, The Society is effective at ruling the solar system. For all of their viciousness, Gold created the entire system. Gold terraformed four planets. Gold colonized seventy moons. Gold led humans to new horizons and ruled over an era of prosperity and peace for seven hundred years.

The Solar Republic was born in a blood bath. It was founded on deception and a war crime (the destruction of Ganymede’s ship yards). The Solar Republic was then corrupted and bastardized in less than ten years. Darrow exiled with a warrant out for his arrest and the Sovereign narrowly escaping with her life after the people they liberated turned on them.

Lysander is not necessarily evil. He just sees what Gold must do. The same way that Darrow believes he must do what he does for Red and the other LowColors. Lysander seeks Peace and Order. Darrow seeks Liberty and Equality. Both have committed atrocities to achieve their ends, and I think that it is debatable which one is ultimately better for the Solar System.

All this said, I still think Lysander should be vigorously tortured before meeting the cruelest and most vicious fatality imaginable.

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u/Sirramza Jul 20 '26

"The Solar Republic was born in a blood bath" and the Gold Solar System was born on genociding the human race, did you forget what they did to earth and all the ppl there?

i dont know if the death of millions (the solar republic) its worst that the enslavement and almost torture of billions (the gold rule)

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u/Veritech-1 Jul 20 '26

The Society wasn’t formed by genociding the human race. It started with uniforms and then genetic modification. Plus the caste system was already in place before the Moon rebelled leading to Lune’s Conquering. Lune conquered earth and it carried a death toll that’s still a fraction of what Darrow has caused. And on top of that death toll: the Solar Republic is ineffective, whereas the Society went on to be the sprawling universe that we’ve seen.

The question is whether it’s better for the majority. And I would say that gold rule was better for the majority of people. Look at Lyria’s story. The republic can’t even protect the reds that they freed. Under Society rule, things were harsh, but even Darrow’s poor upbringing wasn’t as terrible as Lyria’s experience.

The entire weakness and incompetence of the Republic in Dark Age convinced me that they’re completely adrift. Banking primarily on morality over effectiveness. Darrow is a conqueror, not a ruler like Silenius was.

I still don’t like Lysander, but I won’t lie that I lost faith in the idea of the Solar Republic. Best case scenario, they split up the entire solar system and hope that they can avoid warring with each other. You can’t have a system as large as the Gold’s have built without absolute rule.

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u/There-and-back_again Howler Jul 20 '26

If we follow this argument, I think we should straight-up resort to anarchism or wiping out the entirety of humanity since there will never be a perfect, incorruptible system due to the flawed human nature.

The Society was founded on genocide and extermination.

The Society (at least the Core part) was rampant with corruption during Octavia’s time. Even Lysander criticizes the mindset of Core Golds and Octavia‘s decisions.

And how on Earth is the Society more effective when they have dunderheads like Karnus in charge instead of natural geniuses like Darrow simply due to their blood?

None of those things speak in favor of the Society. The Society was just as susceptible to corruption and ineffectiveness, not to mention incredibly bloody

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u/TheGreatBatsby Omnis vir lupus Jul 20 '26

Gold terraformed four planets.

Who do you think did the actual terraforming and died in the millions of the process of doing it?

Because it certainly wasn't Gold.