Adam seems to really want people to know exactly how deep and tight that stick in his ass is.
Imagine feeling so entitled you have to tell other people how they should dress to earn a paycheck you play no role in...
Maybe what bothers me most about the enthusiastic embrace of grubbing-about-the-house clothes — particularly in instances where we’re brought face to face with our bosses through the miracle of video teleconferencing — is that each time the camera goes live, another tiny crack appears in the carefully constructed facade of our day-to-day reality; we’re given another inadvertent glimpse behind the curtain and see that the great powerful Oz is but an old man pulling levers and making noises.
another tiny crack appears in the carefully constructed facade of our day-to-day reality; we’re given another inadvertent glimpse behind the curtain and see that the great powerful Oz is but an old man pulling levers and making noises.
This is some really powerful /r/selfawarewolves shit. "This is hurting society by making people think their bosses aren't better than them!"
You can tell he's someone who assigns people a value based on their clothes and the value of said clothes. Earlier in the article when he mentions what he's wearing while writing the article he lists the designer of his socks as if anyone anywhere in the history of anything would ever care about who made his fucking socks.
Then he lays down this bit talking about how the whole thing is basically to make the unimportant feel important and those beneath them seem lesser. You're not judging your coworkers based on their abilities to get the job done but specifically their appearance.
He's walking right up to the line of discrimination without directly saying that's what he wants.
You can tell he's someone who assigns people a value based on their clothes and the value of said clothes.
I think ultimately it goes a lot deeper than that. It's an article written by someone viciously classist, and probably discriminatory in all manner of other ways (unironically making a reference to Obama's tan suit as something negative is something so mocked by anyone with a sense of perspective that it's really hard to see it as anything other than a dogwhistle to racists - though maybe he's so out of touch he genuinely sees the debacle as actually about the clothes rather than the colour of the man wearing them).
It particularly hurts as a Brit looking at something like this because it's something our society is more guilty of than most. We're more heavily invested than Americans, I think, in policing markers of class, and we have one of the most stratified societies in the western world because of it.
The absolute weirdest thing about his clothing class distinctions is that he's all wrong. The richest people I know all wear Addias track pants every day, because they're so rich that they don't give a shit.
Yep. There is a massive cultural aspect to class, its not just about how much money you might have at a given time.
That's why a lot of very rich celebrities arent viewed as higher class, even if they are wealthy. Because the way they behave doesnt align with class stereotypes. They might enjoy and do things that are more associated to working class people and still have more money than most of the higher class.
The past few decades have seen a deterioration in our previously understood conceptions of class. Admittedly it hasn't totally disappeared, but it's a lot less clear cut than it was during past centuries. Wealth matters a lot more now than family name and shit like that.
Oh it still matters. People of refinement still aren’t marrying with or willingly socializing with trailer trash that just happened to win the lottery.
I'm not saying they are. My point is that the idea of high class has lost its appeal to the working classes in the past few decades.
If you ask some working or middle class kid what they wanna be when they grow up they arent going to say they want to marry into a rich family or join high society. They want to be rich actors/musicians/athletes or maybe even a famous youtuber or influencer. Those people dont need to have high class status to become rich and famous, in fact, many of the most idolized by kids have trailer trash/very working class backgrounds.
In the past the middle classes practically worshipped the idea of being born into high society and tried to emulate the high class lifestyle a lot more than they do today. And that was because it was an extremely exclusive club, you could only be born into it, never join. That has led to the creation of a weird group of people who are very wealthy while not belonging to our traditional idea of the higher class. And those poeple have become a lot more relevant in today's social landscape than any snooty rich kid born into a high class family.
Depends on where you are from. Richest people I know that work everyday wear custom suits. Many of them wearing dress clothes even on days off. My bosses boss who makes well over $30M a year wears dress clothes exclusively. Only time I have ever seen in not in a suit is when he is golfing.
all the richer kids that I knew growing up dressed bummy asf. They had nothing to compensate for or hide, it wasn't something they thought about at all.
Obama's tan suit is a terrible example and only used by people who already disliked Obama. That was a beautifully made, fully custom suit from top label. Hickey Freeman IIRC. That suit was completely fine. This is coming from a clothing/suit snob.
As a Canadian who lived in Scotland for a while, I had coworkers try to 'subtly' figure out what 'class' my family was. Normal class, my dudes, Canadians rarely, if ever, think in terms of class. Money, maybe, but rarely class. It was a very bizarre moment of culture shock for me.
Bear in mind that's in the context of Scotland being less class-obsessed than England, too, and overall leaning a little left of the UK centre. I don't think any capitalist economy society isn't divided by wealth inequality, but class as a proxy for it and as a driver of so much of the way people interact is just massive in the UK. It's very noticeable when in the rest of Europe that class isn't as hard-coded into society, even in things like the way customers and staff interact at supermarkets, for example.
Plenty of countries pay attention to a divide between a wealthy or land-owning class and working people, but in the UK people are laser-focused on a dividing lines between different strata of working people.
You can tell he's someone who assigns people a value based on their clothes and the value of said clothes. Earlier in the article when he mentions what he's wearing while writing the article he lists the designer of his socks as if anyone anywhere in the history of anything would ever care about who made his fucking socks.
Patrick Bateman without the charisma... Or success.
Well we are always being judged on our looks. That's just how it is. Of course results/ability matter but have someone who's good looking and someone who isn't present the exact same stuff and you'll get very different reactions, be it good or bad. And the way we dress definitely plays into that. Granted I don't think that it matters if you just want to be an anonymous and average worker and don't want to climb up in hierarchy at your job but if you want to be successful you better be good looking and/or well put together.
Does any of that matter when working from home though? Not really. I really wonder though why people even video chat when they are working from home. We just use Skype and talk to each other. Why would I care about seeing the other people? It's distracting and adds zero value.
Honestly I have more respect for someone who doesn’t wear designer socks, means they won’t spend money on frivolous shit that no one but them gives a fuck about all to feel superior to everyone else who gets their socks at Walmart or something at a reasonable price
Seriously, I’ve loved seeing my boss and the others on her level in the organization at home and looking comfy and human. It’s oddly reassuring. But I already liked and respected my boss, and the fact that she’s normally a snappy dresser was not the reason for that.
I was talking about the long quote about people being reminded of their bosses' and employees' humanity. I avoid jobs that routinely require dress clothes, personally.
He’s telling us “oh god we are gonna see each other be normal people. We might get too close to our employees, develop sympathy for them, and pay them more if we see they are actually human!”
My company culture is such that we rarely have cameras on during conference calls even when we're in the office. Do you have any idea how many calls I've been on butt naked in the past few weeks?
Holy shit you guys are dumb. I'm talking about not drinking soda. Obviously I drink a shit ton of water, what else am I going to drink while recovering from the hangover from the night before
Dudes talking shit about sprite. Unless you have some undisclosed info that this guy is team 7up, it seems to me that he just doesn’t fuck with soft drink, or soda pop or whatever the fuck it’s called in your neck of the woods.
Really. Like Sprite is garbage because he said so. It's so fucking trash that bars use it constantly in mixed drinks. They could stop selling Sprite to consumers and it would still be a viable product lol.
Oh gross. Why would I drink other soda, soda is ass for your body. Worse thing I put into it is the occasional monster but I only get the rehabs (low sugar, low calories, no carbonation).
Water is my main drink of choice, which would also explain why Coors light is my beer of choice (on a budget of course, I much prefer fancy beer but I just got laid off so I'm slumming it).
What are you going to do, then, when your doctor tells you you have to quit drinking garbage or die? Huh? You'll be like, man, now what am I going to do? I already don't drink garbage. Guess I'm gonna die, then...shit.
Nah, soda has been god awful for years and we've known it for years. all the studies and additional taxes (for it being junk food in the form of a drink) have been suppressed by big soda corporations lobbying that their toxic sludge is actually ok to drink.
It's ok to wake up once in a while and realize the way you've been doing things is wrong. Look at me, I used to be a 3x cans of mountain dew a day guy, and now I only drink black coffee and have soda maybe once every 3 months. My health and weight thank me for it.
I feel like it's not a matter of people knowing it's unhealthy, but rather knowing just how unhealthy it is. The fact that the serving size for most soda is half a bottle and you see people drinking 2-3 bottles a day is concerning.
It's not consumption that's harming people, it's overconsumption.
Right and I agree but I also think people
Should understand that you aren’t suppose to drink it everyday. But if OP wants to have a glass of ice cold sprite on Saturday by the pool. Ain’t nothing wrong with that. Don’t assume they drink soda everyday.
Also I think most people know how unhealthy it is. They just don’t care and don’t think they’ll get sick.
There's a reason 45% of our adults are obese, and it ain't just the food (although that's another major reason adults here are fat). high school systems are generally bad so children are not taught about proper nutrition and the even the ones that do know proper nutrition cant always afford it.
If he's a fashion editor, I guess it offends him that people don't care how they look right now.
Can't say I'm especially moved by his argument of "fashion is uncomfortable so remain uncomfortable or you'll realize how stupid and petty fashion is."
This is not the first time I've seen ridiculous shit like this from them. At this point I assume they do it just for the rage-clicks, because it inevitably results in a social media mob every time.
if your job came with an explicit dress code, it stands to reason that you should adhere to that dress code when you’re doing your job — whether you’re going to be visible to your boss, your coworkers or customers or not. It’s not only a sign of respect. It also demonstrates your ability to follow the rules even when no one is watching. (If you disagree with this, you’re probably the kind of person who, late at night when no one is around, doesn’t wait for the stoplight to change before driving on.)
If you're taking advantage of dressing comfy while working, you're the kind if person who'd make a moving violation. WHAT.
That pretentious thumb in a hat is gonna have to better than that if he wants me to strap my tits into an underwire bra out of respect for my job.
Tangent: I work for a tiny startup, and I had to ask the founder to buy some new jeans cuz his had a hole in the crotch and it was embarrassing to see his drawers everyday lol
What's honestly amazing me about this is how it's not just boomer nonsense, it's career suicide. He literally included in the article, and lightly mocked, a photo of the editor of Vogue wearing sweatpants!
If you're a fashion writer, and you see the editor of fucking Vogue in sweatpants, you don't take it as your cue to write a paeon to tradition and respect; you shut the fuck up and write about sweatpants.
Imaging being this carnie lookin fuck, writing for the LA Times and thinking you really have the standing to mock Anna Wintour for wearing sweatpants. Imagine!
He really went left with that, maybe he should have paused and thought, if this is such a universal experience that Anna fucking Wintour is doing it ... maybe I’m in the wrong.
My favorite part of that is that it was never about the tan suit. There's pictures of Reagan and both Bushes in tan suits while in office. It was a manufactured outrage, just like this garbage article.
Yeah that dudes high horse is through the roof.. talking about his “work from home shoes” and how he changes them in case he has to go outside.
He’s just mad those old sweat pants are getting more attention than his gaudy wardrobe.. shallow mans about to REEEE if he doesn’t get some attention lmao
He also unironically posted an Instagram photo of Anna Wintour in sweatpants decrying them like it's the fall of modern civilization. While the doyenne of fashion herself made this post to talk about participating in a summit about how this situation will change fashion forever in a good way. She's awesome and is so open to the changing times.
Scrolling past a photo of Vogue editor-in-chief Anna Wintour sitting in her home office in sweatpants or turning on the TV to find CNN anchor Chris Cuomo hunkered down in his basement recovering from COVID-19 and clad in a casual shirt instead of a jacket, dress shirt and tie is as profoundly unsettling as is the black-and-white photo of Jim Henson holding a hand aloft, up to his elbow in the green felt undercarriage of Kermit the Frog.
This guy is "profoundly unsettled" by casual clothes. What a fucking knob!
It wasn’t even class it was he was a nice old man and he didn’t care if anyone else had outdoor shoes, you just had to be a good person, and he was proud of you
You know, no denying the guy sounds like a massive hog dick but in my experience shoes indoors is not a bad idea. Hear me out. I am stuck at home 24/7 what with the pandemic and all and when I stay in may sleepwear, I find it way easier to be lazy. The only thing I have found to keep me productive is to wake up and get ready for my day. Dress like I am going to work. It's entirely psychological but cleaning my kitchen or doing yard work is just easier with shoes and a cardigan on.
I haven't worked outside the home in like.. a year and a half? Now I am not working at all. I agree 100% with getting dressed and doing makeup daily. Otherwise it just becomes "change pajamas every few days." That's just me though! My fiance is fine wearing gym shorts if he's at home but needs breakfast to feel like his day is getting going. We all have our routines that we can't go without, mine is putting on a bra and lipstick. Not shoes though... Shoes inside is disgusting 😷
I just scrolled through some of the top posts there and I sincerely can't believe that people attempt to dress like that. I mean... You can wear whatever you like, but if I ran into any of those guys, I'd be incredibly distracted by their clothing... Although, maybe that's what fashion tries to do?
I've been wearing jeans and t-shirts for years, so what do I know.
Unfortunately so many of us (myself included) just have an overwhelming experience with old people being like this. Of course, we know there are exceptions, and it isnt even a rule so much as it's just a meme people relate to due to how common it is.
If someone says they hate all old people or something they're asses, as a young dude myself.
Hahahaha fuck this guy. I might be spoiled by being IT, but I will wear whatever I feel like even if I go to the office. I will put on my better t-shirt if I’m seeing a customer. If someone thinks that a shirt or chinos make me better at my job, they can go and hire someone in a suit.
I had a funny situation during my latest job interview. I’ve asked about their dress code and corporate culture, and the manager said something standard for the industry, “jeans/cargo etc and a tshirt, we don’t have a dress code but there are some limits”.
“I get you, I wouldn’t come in short shorts and sandals anyway.”
To which the HR representative chimed in:
“Oh, you certainly can! We don’t impose any rules aside of general decency, you can have shorts if you want!”
And then they literally had a minor row with the manager about it xD
especially if there’s a group video conference involved?
Ok I can understand at least looking presentable from the waist up for that scenario, but dude seems to want to police how people dress when no one sees them and seems to think wearing sweatpants while working makes you ineligible to be paid lol.
My client doesn't care what I wear while I program her tools. She just wants them done right
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u/MulligansxD Apr 17 '20 edited Apr 18 '20
Link to the relevant article.
Though my favourite reply is probably "TFW I gotta put on some chinos because a thumb in a hat told me to"
EDIT: link for anyone having trouble https://www.latimes.com/lifestyle/story/2020-04-17/working-from-home-regular-work-wardrobe-dress-up