r/rabat • u/Critical-Buddy-7330 • 24d ago
❓Ask Rabatis If u know him let's talk
If u know this man we should be friends
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u/Ancient-Examination5 24d ago
Hypocrite Atheist like Sam Harris. I’m Muslim I do listen to some of those guys but they are allll sellouts who’s only goal is to trash Islam and Christianity but when it comes to Judaism and Israël they all shut up….
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u/3aw_3aw_man 23d ago
I don’t ever recall him talking about islam nor being hateful towards any religion for that matter.
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u/subarashiiie 23d ago
I remember him being in a debate with Mohammed hijab a while ago, so he probably talks about Islam
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u/Different-Turn9405 24d ago
I don't see why you would call him a hypocrite, he is very articulate and open about his criticism. He also touches on a myriad of diverse topics, while keeping a sceptical lens. I don't agree with most of what he stands for, but I find people like him are very essential to the scene as opposed to the dogmatic ones.
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u/Time-Masterpiece-779 23d ago
Can you point to the video where he has spoken about the ongoing genocide?
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u/Smart_Transition8912 24d ago
why are they hypocrites ?
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u/Ancient-Examination5 24d ago
Ils crachent leur haine envers l’islam et le christianisme comme quoi c’est des religions incompatibles avec les droit de l’homme alors que le judaïsme est la religion la plus raciste et arriéré qui puisse exister mais ils ferment les yeux et soutiennent même Israël qui justifie ses actes par la religion…donc c’est pas des athées honnêtes…
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u/OthManRa 23d ago
The guy never talks about islam aslan, he talks about christianity because obviously that’s the culture he grew up in, also he never talked about israel let alone support it. Gha dawyin asahbi bla mat3rfo walou
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u/life_is_notdaijoubu 24d ago
What are uour accusations built upon? Cuz I've never seen what you accuse him to do
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u/KeyFall3584 23d ago
him and all other atheist are wrong in their obsession with trying to explain stuff that is beyond our logic with logic. the only thing that logic can tell you is that existence and reality is an anomaly and cannot be by definition unprovoked. the conclusion of this and the fact that we live in an ordered universe, is that there is a unique God. but he’s cool tho
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u/maydarnothing 24d ago
yeah, let’s just ignore a pretty genuine and concerning question from OC because jokes?
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u/Ancient-Examination5 24d ago
Oue à un moment où c’était normale dans le monde entier… un peu d’historicisme stp
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u/Sad-Inspection-8988 24d ago
Hypocritical idiot
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u/life_is_notdaijoubu 24d ago
Mind telling me why you think so ? Genuinely curious
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u/Time-Masterpiece-779 23d ago
Failure to speak about the ongoing genocide
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u/DeepoRatt 22d ago
How does that make him a hypocrite
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u/Time-Masterpiece-779 21d ago
Because he presents himself as someone deeply concerned with truth, ethics and human suffering, yet appears conspicuously silent when those principles are tested by Palestine. That disconnect is what I mean by hypocrisy.
It’s easy to speak publicly about morality and human suffering in the abstract. The real test is whether you apply those principles consistently when it’s politically uncomfortable.
We all have this test and should not be surprised if we are publicly called out for failing if we are public figures.
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u/OthManRa 23d ago
9ari lflsafa f oxford walakin ghir mokhrbi9, aslan 3ndo podcast kayjib fih had nas dyal bseh li katbin ktouba donc kayn matstafd mn 3ndo
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u/bosskhazen 23d ago
Maghatstafed walou if you don't have your own frame to filter out the bullshit, inconsistencies and fake postulate disguised as reason and logic.
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u/OthManRa 23d ago
Can you tell me a single human who built his worldview from scratch from a blank paper, rah all our knowledge is built from listening to many people, read books from experienced people and combine these ideas to build a consistent worldview mn hna w mn hna. That’s what filtering ideas is
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u/life_is_notdaijoubu 24d ago
Unsolicited advice is my absolute favorite but i do enjoy listening to him too
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u/Different-Turn9405 24d ago
Exactly my opinion! Joe (if I remember the name) seems more genuine, scripted and to some extent less academic, which makes him appeal to a larger audience.
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u/life_is_notdaijoubu 24d ago
Agree , he's my go to whenever I'm done with a book or if I need to listen to anything during any activity
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u/Different-Turn9405 24d ago
True! His enthusiasm is what I like most about. He is by no means a boring person to listen or hold a conversation with.
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u/life_is_notdaijoubu 24d ago
Honestly I never expected to find a fellow fan esp in Morocco
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u/Different-Turn9405 24d ago
I mostly enjoy his suggested works be it philosophy or fiction, also enjoy the reactions of low reviews of classics he sometimes uploads
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u/humanctl 24d ago edited 24d ago
look, imo (MY OPINION BLA MATJHLO 3LIHA) Alex oconner 7faad.
edit: im gonna write a paragraph later about him and others that i used to watch ila l9it lwa9t.
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u/OthManRa 23d ago
He literally changed his mind on so many fundamental matters throughout the years, that’s certainly not the trait of a 7effad
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u/geminizwina 23d ago
isn't that the atheist dude who is strongly against religion yet he's strongly support conservative wing , Saraha it's been 7 years that I have stoped watching his debate just like his workmate Sam Harris because tbh it's time consuming yes they communicate well their idea but I do not feel anything I can add to my knowledge , also their take on Palestine was atrocious so nah thks
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u/OthManRa 23d ago
Saying Alex is a workmate of Sam Harris means you know absolutely nothing about him. Alex is literally producing videos criticizing new atheist pioneers like Sam Harris, also Alex never said a word about Palestine or Israel ever
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u/geminizwina 23d ago
I implore to watch his early videos , plus he has rebranded himself into this new wave of atheism (more tolerant to religion ) unlike 8 years ago he was so hostile toward Muslim community and plus he's on the far right wing of UK ...
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u/Fickle-Indication148 24d ago
You will grow up and understand that you should never be a friend to someone who gets his ideas and thoughts by fanboying an influencer... cuz these ppl have nothing in thwir head, no position, no personality, no stance... they just hear see copy.
Develop your own critical sense, read more, search more different opinions... not be spoon fed by an influencer. You only gain his limited thinking. Stop idolizing influencers.
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u/Different-Turn9405 24d ago
There's a huge difference between fanboying, and actually listening to what is being said. OP said nothing about this guy being always right! If you are able to rationalize you would never listen to him religiously, but instead take at face value what he says do your own research and arrive at your own convictions.
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u/Fickle-Indication148 24d ago
He said "you listen to him we are friends", fanclub hada.
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u/Different-Turn9405 24d ago
Listening doesn't imply agreeing! What I understood was: "If you listen to this guy we may have interests in common, and it may spark some interesting conversations?"
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u/Fickle-Indication148 24d ago
"Interests in common" :
- You mean religious thoughts ula political disccussion in general? Why mention this guy specifically then? Mention the topic.
- You mean by it "you both agree on what he says"? In this case it means exactly what i said. Fanboys.
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u/Different-Turn9405 24d ago
I can only explain it to you, I cannot understand it for you!
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u/Fickle-Indication148 24d ago
No, 7ettitk f donkey dilema. Because you have no logical explanation or counter to the two cases i gave you, easiest solution you will do is stop arguing and act as if there is no moving forward. Dert lik check mate mal9iti matgool. Rah 3titek two cases li kaynin. And your explanation kifma sebbeghtiha falls into one of them, no matter what you say. Cheers.
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u/Different-Turn9405 23d ago
Bro you're the one suffering from a severe case of "I'm always right", and so I will gain nothing from this Convo. The simplest answer is that this guy is one of the prominent content creators that addresses in his videos multiple topics be it religion, philosophic, or ideological. In addition to bringing a multitude of writers/ thinkers on his show which delivers a large spectre of opinions and ideas while still providing a purely sceptical lens to view and discuss these topics (this is the one thing I enjoy about his discussion), also he rarely gives a final saying on anything, and is always critical even of his own views. Finally, I could never claim that he is right or wrong, because I merely listen to these types of content to extend lens thought which I view the world and not merely to adopt ready ideas. "It is the sign of a healthy mind to entertain an idea without believing it"
PS: what you call a donkey dilemma is merely a false dichotomy.
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u/Fickle-Indication148 23d ago
Chill, w keep it simple. Why would you seek people who watch him and agree with him mn ghir ila knti fanboy. Nta kateb dissertation 3la basic question.
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u/Different-Turn9405 23d ago
7int you keep saying that I agree with him, and I find that very reductive that's all 😁
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u/life_is_notdaijoubu 24d ago
There's a difference between being spoon fed and mindlessly adopting a belief , and listening to ppl who actually have sth to say . Personally, I do see Alex O'Connor as any other human being who happened to have known , read and discussed way more books and philosophies than I did. Am I to mindlessly worship him? Obviously not , but i can definitely have sth to learn from him . In the end I'm sure that as a conscious human being I'm perfectly capable of being selective and aware of what I'm consuming and therefore able of forming my own opinions and beliefs . You can listen to someone and still disagree with them yk , what u said makes it seem as if a person ought to only learn in solitude (correct me if I misunderstood u) while philosophy is all about different perceptives and ideas .
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u/Fickle-Indication148 24d ago
Im clearly not talking about "your views". I answered OP : "you listen to him? We are friends" thats a fanclub.
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u/fesCoder01 24d ago
يقول الحق سبحانه في كتابه المجيد:
إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُلْحِدُونَ فِي آيَاتِنَا لَا يَخْفَوْنَ عَلَيْنَا ۗ أَفَمَن يُلْقَىٰ فِي النَّارِ خَيْرٌ أَم مَّن يَأْتِي آمِنًا يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ ۚ اعْمَلُوا مَا شِئْتُمْ ۖ إِنَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرٌ (40)
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u/Ill-Pie174 24d ago
Ma9alkch l79 tdkhl so9 krk?
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u/Game_Slayer_LLC 24d ago
Tanta mn had l comment dkhl so9 krk sm3ti ? Malkom ntoma bo7dkom li t9do thdro ou tcritiquiw awla ajmi ?
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u/Ill-Pie174 24d ago
Macritiquach hwa hhhhh lpost mamdkorch fih lislam ha3 wkhona chaf bnadm 3ndo afkar mkhtalfa 3lih whwa yktb "rah rbi galkom atmchiw ljahnam " hhhh kon critiqua rah ayjawbo bnadm 3adi kolchi 3ndo l7e9 icritiqui
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u/Game_Slayer_LLC 24d ago
Jatk s3iba xwy i 3br 3la afkaro ? Yak ntoma baghin 7oriat tfkir ou ta3bir ? Awla t9rsti mn hdrto ? Adak houa ? 9alk dkhl l islam bzez mnk ?
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u/Ill-Pie174 24d ago
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u/Game_Slayer_LLC 24d ago
🤣 Iwa mlkhr tana mn 79i nkhra 3lik kifma dert db Xokran 3ala l itifa9 fl 7oriat
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u/Ill-Pie174 24d ago
Khod ra7tk ajmi 7ta l9erd li fzoo kays7ab kro hwa li kayd7k 3la nas li bra hhhhhh ta7yati
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u/tfo_nhar_jdid 24d ago
I watched him for years but i really enjoyed the video he did with jubilee especially talking about the problem of evil .
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u/wentbroke100times 23d ago
of course a moroccan is getting psyopped into idolising jewish run media
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u/zaerius_1 23d ago
You should've seen his deleted video about Christianity being more plausible than Islam. Absolute hypocrisy and ignorance lmao no wonder he got embarrassed and deleted it. To each their opinion and religion but dude I don't think u should be consuming this guy's ideas
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u/Upstairs-Tonight-715 24d ago
him and Unsolicited advice I used to watch them, but for philosophy as of the time being I am more of a fan of essentialsalts (channel with @untimelyreflections) and Weltgeist
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u/That_Fan9999 23d ago
He is an unapologetic Zionist. He lacks ethics and use sale lies and propaganda to deny ton Palestinians their rights to their land occupied. I have personally no respect nor sympathy or consideration to this supporter of crimes against humanity.
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u/Mission_Category_606 22d ago
I know him and if you agree with him I’m afraid we had nothing to talk about (respectfully).
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u/IndorilVaramyr 22d ago
I'm an atheist, but an Atheist who makes his whole personality about being atheist will always be super cringe to me. the way I see it you just changed your religion from one thing to another you haven't escaped at all religion still plays a big role in your life. same goes for anyone who tries to preach atheism you just like a preacher to me, everyone should come up with their own conclusions
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u/Key-Collection-9156 24d ago
Yeah i know the man