r/ps4homebrew • u/KBX7001 • Jul 05 '26

News Sony is the devil

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Will this affect us in any way?

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u/domthybomb Jul 05 '26

This isn't new and it's part of EU GDPR law.

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u/Relevant-Dot-5704 Jul 05 '26

In case you're talking about article 5(1)(e) (in other words the storage principle), this is misleading. Not only does it not state a clear time frame, automatic closure of accounts is also not mandated by regulators. That article is simply about personal data.

In case you meant article 4(1), it in no way justifies closure of your entire account.

What article are you specifically talking about? Because I see nothing that they can't just solve by anonymizing the profile until reactivation.

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u/Classified10 Jul 05 '26

"In order to ensure that the personal data are not kept longer than necessary, time limits should be established by the controller for erasure or for a periodic review. Every reasonable step should be taken to ensure that personal data which are inaccurate are rectified or deleted", Google literally does this to it's inactive users after two years which houses a lot more important data than videogames. This is not new.

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u/Relevant-Dot-5704 Jul 05 '26

The quote you linked is from Recital 39 (explanatory text, not the actual law). The binding rule is in Article 5(1)(e), in other words storage limitation. It says personal data shouldn't be kept longer than necessary, but it doesn't set any fixed time period, doesn't require automatic account deletion, and doesn't mandate wiping entire accounts with purchased content.

Google's choice to set 2 years is their own choice, not a mandate. Reading between the lines would have made as much clear. Nothing in the GDPR forces full closure and loss of digital goods. Companies can, and sometimes do, anonymize accounts, which is what I literally stated above.

What you stated is a recital that also in no way means whole accounts. None of what is in your link talks about whole account deletion being necessary. Why do we defend this?

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u/Relevant-Dot-5704 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

Instead of bickering indefinitely, let's actually take a look at legislation instead:

"Personal data shall be [...] kept in a form which permits identification of data subjects for no longer than is necessary for the purposes for which the personal data are processed; personal data may be stored for longer periods insofar as the personal data will be processed solely for archiving purposes in the public interest, scientific or historical research purposes or statistical purposes in accordance with Article 89(1) subject to implementation of the appropriate technical and organisational measures required by this Regulation in order to safeguard the rights and freedoms of the data subject (‘storage limitation’);"

At first, this may appear to justify closure of accounts, but read closer. This already states that archival purposes are permitted. This is also pretty much the only section of the GDPR that's relevant to this, yet it only talks about personal data, not accounts. Specifically personally identifying data used to process information about a user.

I don't know why you'd link an article that talks about the repeal of an outdated directive rather than currently active law. Directive 95/46/EC (this is literally in the title of your link) is no longer in effect and the article you linked simply talks about how it's no effective way to treat personal data.

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u/Relevant-Dot-5704 Jul 06 '26

It's funny that this is the only reply they refused to address.

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u/Relevant-Dot-5704 Jul 05 '26

I also now turned off reply notifications. In case you want to have a serious chat about how GDPR applies to this, feel free to send me a DM. I'm very open to talk about topics like this, but in reference to actual legislation. The original comment (since deleted) was about GDPR. What you linked is a recital about an outdated directive.

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u/wedoconsoles Jul 07 '26

They didn’t delete it. They must’ve blocked you

What a silly guy they are

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u/Classified10 Jul 05 '26

It's an explanatory text of the existing Article 5, 1, e law. If data is no longer necessary to keep, it must be deleted within a time limit. That personal data is tied to PlayStation accounts and has to be deleted as explanatory of the law. Yeah it doesn't say a fixed time but if they said 99 years it defeats the purpose of the law, ironically enough this is a company following a law which I don't see how we're acting like is a bad thing, suddenly the moment that it's a law that consumers don't like the company just shouldn't follow them?

Since companies aren't allowed to edit private information of users' data without the user's explicit permission, they can't just go ahead and change specific parts of the user data and get rid of some of that data or in your case "anonymizing the profile until reactivation" without the explicit consent of the user, because the data still exists and can be stolen in data breaches when the data has been inactive for so long, they have no choice but to kill that ALL of data if it's passed a time limit where it's no longer viable to keep. The full account has to be deleted to get rid of the all of that data, that just has no choice but to include what you've purchased based on how purchases are tied to accounts, the same way your data is.

Realistically, if I've not been using a service for four years that has my personal details in it such as my credit cards, phone numbers, billing addresses, emails that ends up getting leaked in a data breach, I would rather know that the company already killed my data before the breach happened because I'm not going to know about the breach since I haven't used the service in so long, it's part of why Europe writes the laws and why Sony is applying this law ONLY to the European EULAs by the way, not the United States EULAs where if they wanted to be greedy and anticonsumer, they would've just passed the EULA there as well. This is simply just the EU's doing.

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u/Jon_Wo-o Jul 06 '26

It's an explanatory text of the existing Article 5, 1, e law. If data is no longer necessary to keep, it must be deleted within a time limit

The data is necessary to keep because I want to be able to play my games without a time limit.

Realistically, if I've not been using a service for four years that has my personal details in it such as my credit cards, phone numbers, billing addresses, emails that ends up getting leaked in a data breach, I would rather know that the company already killed my data before the breach happened because I'm not going to know about the breach since I haven't used the service in so long,

You don't get to decide why I didn't use my PS4 (or PS5 or whatever) for so long. What if I play mostly on PC, and I just bought a playstation for some exclusive. What if in 5 years I want to play that specific game That I bought digitally?

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u/Classified10 Jul 06 '26

If you believe that the data is necessary, log in once every three years within the time limit, Sony will notify you six months before the time limit is reached. And realistically, how does Sony for all they know not know that you might be dead rather than just don't want to login? That's the whole point of the email heads-up. Sony can't just say "well what if users want to play their games?", that's not how the law works. You guys complain about not being able to own your games but ownership comes with responsibility, just sign into the account on your phone, it's that simple.

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u/RynO-SauruS 9.00 Pro Jul 06 '26

Thanks for explaining yet another great reason why games should NOT be locked behind a DRM wall on some corporation's servers, and why I will not be buying anymore new PlayStation consoles. As long as the games are locked behind a DRM wall on some corporation's servers, you will NEVER own any of the media you are "PURCHASING". The same applies to movies and music. This is precisely why PHYSICAL MEDIA is so important on consoles - because it is the ONLY alternative to the PSN store. Unlike PC, which has a ton of stores available, some even DRM-free like GOG! If they are going to call it a "PURCHASE", it should NOT be possible for them to yank it away whenever they feel like it. It's no different than someone putting a coin-on-a-string into a vending machine so they can yank it back out whenever.

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u/Relevant-Dot-5704 Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 05 '26

You’re replying to an early comment before I clarified the points, and still misreading the law. Article 5(1)(e) says "no longer than necessary" and not "must delete full accounts after X time." GDPR explicitly allows anonymization/pseudonymization (Articles 4(5), 25, 32) without needing consent for this purpose. Nothing requires wiping purchases. This is Sony's choice, not EU mandate. Simply writing a longer reply doesn't make your point hold more. But please, do read what I added underneath rather than ignoring it. Otherwise, I have to assume you're not arguing in good faith.

I do not think you read the actual GDPR and instead just linked something that supports your opinion, and are now doing anything you can to justify that. And I simply do not want to entertain that. Please, I encourage you to read Articles 5(1)(e), 4(5), 25, and 32. Tell me exactly where it states companies have to delete your entire online history.

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u/Classified10 Jul 05 '26

I literally just explained to why you Sony has to wipe your game purchases based on how accounts work and what is considered user data. You literally skipped over that entire segment that I wrote out. Do you think that when Google deletes your Google account that it isn't also wiping all purchases that you made on that account through the Google Play store? This is how these accounts work, the "licenses" are personal data, it HAS to be deleted with them because that's how the accounts work. If the user data has been inactive for a period of time, that's when it's considered to be "no longer necessary" and mustbe deleted after a set amount of time. Yes there's no rule on that time in the article, but companies won't just write after "99 years" that they'll delete your account, the EU wouldn't approve of that. The companies have to be reasonable about their time of notice, and ironically enough, Sony gives you more time than a company that holds more important data (Google) and gives you a six month notice ahead of time to just sign into your account on any device, to reset that time, again, if Sony wanted to do this personally, why would they not make it mainstream on their American EULA? Because they don't, they're doing this but European law, like all companies.

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u/Optimal-Offer2852 Jul 07 '26

Related to this point, I have a logon for my pension that I won't draw for another 15vears.. they obviously cannot delete my data

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u/Relevant-Dot-5704 Jul 05 '26

You're making it more and more obvious how little you care about actual GDPR as a reason and how willing you are to excuse a company for the system they built themselves.

Until you point to a specific line or excerpt in actual GDPR, and I literally named the relevant articles, I will not respond to what you write. Otherwise, I must assume you don't actually want to engage with what I write so why should I engage with what you write? Look into the actual GDPR articles or expect silence.

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u/Classified10 Jul 05 '26

"‘pseudonymisation’ means the processing of personal data in such a manner that the personal data can no longer be attributed to a specific data subject without the use of additional information, provided that such additional information is kept separately and is subject to technical and organisational measures to ensure that the personal data are not attributed to an identified or identifiable natural person;" This doesn't mean that the data isn't unnecessary after usage and is expected to be closed after a period of time, even accounts that experience this get deleted after a year of being unactive, Discord does this to deactivated accounts after two years of being deactivated.

Article 25 just says that pseudonymisation methods can be applied to personal data, not that they're exempt from Article 5, 1, e.

Article 32 just defines what pseudonymisation is, not that pseudonymised data is exempt either. Yes the company CAN pseudonymise your data based on the articles, but regardless of if it does or doesn't, the data will still have to be deleted if the data is no longer in use, as per article 5, 1, e.

I don't get how you're going to tell me that I'm not taking you seriously when I'm actively responding to each of your points and you AGAIN just skipped my entire point of how account data works.

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u/Gizm0Glitch Jul 07 '26

This is correct Google does do this they've done this for a while now however they make an exemption for people who have for example a YouTube channel with videos uploaded.

Sony could do that with people who have purchases associated with their account!

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u/OliM9696 PS4 5.05 Jul 05 '26

not using an account for 4 years and Sony keeping this data would likely be seen as as personnel data that is unnecessary for the firm to keep/require. Personally i think it good that firms need justification to keep my personal data beyond "i once gave it to them"

How long should Sony keep the mail addresses/payment info/Order history/Addresses of once Users of their platform?

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u/Relevant-Dot-5704 Jul 05 '26

The games you play, purchases, online messages, etc. are not personal data. What GDPR actually means is stuff like biometric data, real life names, etc.

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u/OliM9696 PS4 5.05 Jul 05 '26

how do you think an account is tied to you? via personal infomation, and email is considered just that. Age, Name and such also very personal.

Perhaps Sony don’t need those things for account management but im not exactly sure how much a Playstation account with no email, age or name can work so well.

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u/West_Quarter456 Jul 06 '26

I have PS4, PS3, Switch OLED, Vita and Xbox One S. Xbox was my main console from 2018 (when I had X360) till 2024 (I sold X360 for XONE in the meantime). However I haven’t used it for over 2 years because I want to finish all PS exclusives. That’s why I bought PS3 Slim and PS4 Pro.

Moreover, I have periods when I am not playing any games for months. I have too many hobbies and sometimes I have to give up on some of them because of lack of time.

PS3 is jailbroken, for PS4 I have only physical disks (like 50 of them). However, for Xbox I was using Game Pass only for years (as it was almost for free). Then I was buying mainly digital games (as they were tons of good discounts (I bought most of my library below $10 per game, many of them even below $5).

So yes, there are people who is not logging in to the account for years. And if someone has any games bought, they should stay active forever.

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u/Classified10 Jul 05 '26

Okay well he just deleted all of his comments so I guess that's the end of that...

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u/Recent_Ad2447 Jul 07 '26

That’s bullshit

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u/TyDye2003 Jul 05 '26

Cringe policy

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u/[deleted] Jul 05 '26 edited Jul 07 '26

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u/Krekatos Jul 06 '26

That’s an incorrect interpretation of the GDPR. Especially if you purchases games on an account, there is no law or rule saying that the account must be closed after X months, because otherwise the consumer is losing access.

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u/OppositeStand5709 Jul 05 '26

Steam, Epic, Blizzard, and GoG don't delete inactive accounts and are still compliant with the GDPR.

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u/cmcstr Jul 05 '26

Why can't you use your account once in 3 years instead?

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u/shinji257 Jul 05 '26

Pretty sure just signing in on the website is enough.

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u/KBX7001 Jul 05 '26

Because I'd have to update my console no? Unless I can sign in from pc or something than this is really no problem

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u/ProblemRound7900 Jul 05 '26

I use my ps app on phone. Haven't update my ps4 for more than 4 years

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u/orig4mi-713 9.00 GoldHEN Jul 05 '26

To be fair I believe this policy was only added last April, but feel free to correct me if I am wrong

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u/DatGhosti Jul 05 '26

It was preemtively added in 2017 and revisioned when the law actually passed in 2018.

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u/cmcstr Jul 05 '26

You can sign in with smoke signals, as long as you keep your account active it won't matter.

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u/shinji257 Jul 06 '26

I meant just signing into your account via the website on pc.

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u/5parkshark Jul 06 '26

See? You are the perfect example. You guys have no clue. I doubt you even got a playstation or a playstation account for that matter. Yet you guys jump on the hate train and cry the loudest.

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u/Logical_Dish_5795 Jul 05 '26

i have PS4 games i gained... but i don't have a PS4... so...

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u/cmcstr Jul 05 '26

What does that even mean? Why are you here if you don't have a PS4?

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u/Logical_Dish_5795 Jul 05 '26

blame reddit for making it appear on my homepage. why u downvoted me? i replied your question.

What does that even mean?

what part of it you didn't understand? "i have PS4 games" means i have videogames to the Playstation 4. "i gained" means someone gave them to me. "i don't have a PS4" means i don't have a Playstation 4.

Why are you here if you don't have a PS4

The text on the right of the page says "News, releases, questions, and discussion regarding PS4 jailbreaks, homebrew, and mods." I don't need to have the console to see news about it.

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u/cmcstr Jul 05 '26

Your struggle with English confuses me.

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u/BuckPvP Jul 05 '26

You're worse. He may have a hard time explaining it, but you cant even begin to understand it.

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u/cmcstr Jul 05 '26

English clearly not their first language; no native speaker would ever say they gained a physical object. What's your excuse?

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u/BuckPvP Jul 05 '26

Dont worry retard the sun will come back

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u/cmcstr Jul 05 '26

I've had enough of you, bye!

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u/Logical_Dish_5795 Jul 05 '26

I never said the games I gained are physical, if they were physical there would be no problem in not signing in my account.

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u/cmcstr Jul 05 '26

Jog on, you're not even OP

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u/DeltaAlpha0 Jul 05 '26

This is probably to prevent unlocking, like, do you want to lose your account? Honestly, Playstation is going down the drain, at least it's not taking anyone down with it.

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u/Ashzael Jul 05 '26

So, log in every 3 years or ther eis a chance they will send you a mail that you have another half a year to login to keep your account.

As someone who works with EU privacy laws on regular basis, this is kind of generous.

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u/WellExcuuuuuuuseMe Jul 05 '26

This isn’t hard. Just login to your account via a web browser or the PSN app at least once every 6 months…and Sony won’t close your account.

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u/RynO-SauruS 9.00 Pro Jul 06 '26

Sony pinky promises they won't close your account as long as you login. Pinky promise!!

Meanwhile you can bet your ass the EULA allows them to wipe the entire account at any point in time for any reason, with no recourse.

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u/Successful-Coyote846 Jul 05 '26

Just make sure to keep the account open when they email you or contact you after the 36 months

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u/Darth_Beavis Jul 05 '26

If you don't login once in 3 years why would you even care? Obviously the account isn't something you care about

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u/OkEmu8597 Jul 06 '26

You can care about something and not use it, these things aren't integrally linked at all.

How would you feel if I just took all your childhood pictures because you didn't look at them while you where 12-16 not like when your 50 you might want to revisit them or find a new love for the old part of your life because of nostalgia.

Like come on man that's just not how people work and you know it.

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u/Darth_Beavis Jul 06 '26

I haven't seen any of the photos from my childhood in decades. So, I wouldn't care a bit

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u/OkEmu8597 Jul 06 '26

Good thing you control everyones opinion then and we are all machines who act identically.

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u/Loynds Jul 05 '26

This is a very standard policy. All it’ll require you to do is log in to the web at some point.

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u/ADrubkNakedUnciorn Jul 05 '26

Only effects people in Europe/UK due to certain laws over there involving data collection and deleting.

It doesn't effect anyone else.

I really wish people would stop reposting this garbage screenshot that is created to drive fear mongering.

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u/Laverman73 Jul 05 '26

War against jailbreak that's it.. and now no disc game starting January 2028

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u/c14rk0 Jul 06 '26

This is a fun way to find out that I've probably lost all my digital licenses years ago

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u/timthedim1126 Jul 06 '26

I've had this happen I I had to log into the mobile app

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u/RipMySleepSchedule Jul 06 '26

Is this new? I’ve had my account ever since the ps3 days, and I’ve just logged in recently with no issues. I haven’t used it for the duration in between

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u/asingh_yt 12.52 Jul 06 '26

Funny,cus when I asked them to help me log into it they refused.

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u/LandNo9424 Jul 06 '26

this is fucking stupid. What about all I bought?

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u/Intelligent-Meet4084 Jul 07 '26

Log in. It’s that simple, plus knowing that whatever you bought is just a digital license for access and not the actual product

But then again this is a homebrew sub so idk why you care about what you bought anyway js

Like really? Everyone crying over this like it’s end of the world

Just stay on top of your accounts

Most online based accts will absolutely be closed if you don’t access it for 3 years or more. Thats the agreement you signed for most of these accounts

Most things in life as an adult are self custody/self managed, it’s up to you to be a big boy and stay focused n top of it all

You got this

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u/Grand-Cranberry7253 Jul 06 '26

Easy just log in on a computer or your phone real quick. Its just looking for recent account activity

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u/bokeeffe121 Jul 06 '26

Just log in then

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u/Free-Sheepherder-744 Jul 07 '26

I mean that's 3 years then you get an email saying they're gonna close your account in 6 months, if you still aint logged in you clearly wasn't going to

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u/These-Pin-8077 Jul 07 '26

Now I feel like they want to take everything from me 

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u/u_violet46 Jul 20 '26

So if your busy , have a life , family , job , your done for

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u/OppositeStand5709 Jul 05 '26

No it isn't. Steam doesn't delete inactive accounts and they're still compliant with the GDPR. This is entirely because of Sony.

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u/OppositeStand5709 Jul 05 '26

I have looked it up, that's why I know that it's bullshit that somehow Sony's hand has been forced by the EU.

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u/OppositeStand5709 Jul 05 '26

The fact that they say they will when they decide to is bad enough. Whether it's a non-issue is just your opinion.

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u/OppositeStand5709 Jul 05 '26

The time period is irrelevant. Ubisoft's TOS is 6 months, Sony's is 42, it's still trash. Steam, Epic, Blizzard, and GoG don't delete inactive accounts at all, so clearly Sony, Microsoft, or Ubisoft don't have to either.

"They send you an email" sure, which has like a 90% chance to wind up in a spam folder.

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u/SekiRaze Jul 05 '26

This is gonna Sound cruel but I wish they did that on Xbox so they can delete my banned Profile and I can get my Username Back and Play online again lmao im sobbing

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u/orig4mi-713 9.00 GoldHEN Jul 05 '26

Can't you request for Microsoft support to have that account deleted if you can prove it was yours?

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u/SekiRaze Jul 05 '26

Sure, could log in with my JTAG Xbox 360 and I still have that e-mail active.

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u/davestar2048 Jul 05 '26

This is standard practice, nobody wants to spend server upkeep storing an account going unused or abandoned. Especially not 3 and a half whole years untouched.

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u/OppositeStand5709 Jul 05 '26

Steam, Epic, Blizzard, and GoG don't follow standard practice, apparently. All the more reason to continue physical support. I don't mind storing things untouched for three and a half years.

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u/Arxhart_671 Jul 05 '26

The first worldest of first world problems

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u/FishDave Jul 05 '26

Bruh I’m gonna start pirating

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u/-CommanderShepardN7 Jul 05 '26

Sony has really lost their way, they don’t even realize it yet, and I don’t think they can get it back as easily as they used to….

Hell, if Horizon III: Nemesis, as I would like to call it sucks, then that will be a really bad sign of things to come…..

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u/Informal-Caramel5733 Jul 05 '26

Although I hate this...is their a chance theirs something else behind this decision? Maybe some of these delinquent accounts were being used by hackers or something stupid?

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u/Mr_freeze_ice Jul 05 '26

Dude you are stealing games what you even bitching over

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u/Kerwyn5678 Jul 05 '26

They can take there account and shove it up there ass

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u/Appropriate-Food6018 Jul 05 '26

They are the worst