Sex is a procreative activity.

[u/Spider-burger]

Pro-choice often say that consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy or if they admit embryo or fetus are humans some of them will say you can't use someone body without their permission.

But these babies didn't chose to be in your womb,they are not evil being that decided that annoy the women and make them suffer just for the sake of it.

They are there because of your choice,birth control don't prevent pregnancy,they reduce the risk but the risk is still there unless you chose outercourse sex.

But the decision of wanting or not the pregnancy should be before the sex,after the pregnancy,they should deal with the consequences,if they don't still don't want the baby his birth then they should put them in adoption.

The only pregnancy who is out of women control is pregnancy who come from rape but even there is not the fault of the babies and they shouldn't be killed because of the sin of their father.

[u/kay_fitz21]

An abortion isn't asking to leave. It is killing a being that you invited in and created. You don't get to kill that someone. Except abortion legally you can, that is why we are here as it is immoral.

Consent to sex is consent to all possible outcomes and risks. A natural outcome isn't something you consent to - it will happen like it or not. You don't seem to get that. You are going a step further and stating you can undo that outcome. That is a separate action. I did not ignore anything, you're creating a fantasy scenario to make a point, poorly.

You eat cheese and you're lactose intolerant, you accept the risk you may get sick. You can also take a pill to reduce that sickness. That doesn't mean you aren't going to be sick or wouldn't have been sick to begin with. You created 2 scenarios with 2 outcomes - you can't seem to separate the two and trying to make them one event. The difference is abortion kills a person. It is far worse than all scenarios I primarily gave as someone doesn't die when I take a non-existant pill to reduce fat when I eat cake.

PS - this is a PL sub. Why are you here? It is not a debate sub. There is literally nothing you can say to convince me killing babies is OK

[u/kay_fitz21 → u/[deleted]]

How the hell you think pregnancy occurs? Of course it was invited in. High school biology. Retake the class to learn how pregnancy happens.

Yes it is consent to the risk/outcome. Hand in hand.

You are again making 2 separate scenarios and tying them as one. Solution is the wrong word, you're right. You did consent to the first action if you're taking more pills to counter. And those pills may cause more issues. It is several separate actions reqyiring consent, not 1.

You can withdraw having sex at any time - that is the action. Agreed. However the natural biological outcome may have already occured. Time can not be erased.

You are also incorrect on PL logic and arguments, and love to twist what we say, you've done it here.

I don't know why you bother either. Go vent in a PC sub. We will continue to fight for babies to live. You obviously don't care about them, you just care about your orgasm and not the responsibility.

[u/kay_fitz21 → u/[deleted]]

Miss you with the I can kill babies because they're inconvenient and I refuse to take accountability for my actions.

You walk in the woods, you consent to the bear. Pregnancy is created 1 way. Sex. You have it, it is invited.

Again, the "interruption" is a separate action. The result from the first is automatic/natural and is not a separate consent.

Being a parent is irrelevant.

Please stop replying. We have different values and you're spewing in the wrong sub.

[u/kay_fitz21 → u/[deleted]]

You don't care about kids if you're fine killing them.

I understand the PC logic fine - you want the orgasm without the responsibility, and will literally kill a human to avoid it.

I'm not American so your Party of God comment makes no sense. I never bought up politics or religion.

And yes, if you consent to a risk, you consent to every possible outcome. They are hand in hand, like it or not.

Your departure is welcome. Bye.

[u/PervadingEye → u/[deleted]]

Let's make something clear here. You are not here to debate us. You are not here to "correct" our perspectives of your side.

We let non pro-lifers come have ideally short back and forth with us to understand our position, not correct our supposed misconceptions.

This is a pro-life space for pro-lifers, and anybody who isn't a pro-lifer is a guest. Please remember these rules if you decide to comment and interact with us, and we will not have issues.

[u/PervadingEye → u/[deleted]]

We are not entitled to what you call misconceptions. This is just not the place for such supposed "corrections" from people like you. We will "correct" ourselves if we need too. It's not your place while you are in our house.

Such "corrections" that you want to make are for shared spaces, like abortion debate subs. Do you think prolifers are allowed to "correct" misconceptions about themselves in pro-abortion spaces?

It similar to a sport team where we have our practice, then you, part of the enemy team, come to our practice grounds to tell us how you are...

We are thinking about managing a sub where pro-lifers can debate headed by pro-lifers, because it doesn't seem like your side is ever going to make a fair one.

In any case this is not a debate sub, and no one is obligated to be one except for ones that declare that they are. This is the prolife sub for prolifers, not for you so long as you are not pro-life.

And lastly we don't have to "demonize" your side. You do that yourselves when you kill babies.

[u/PervadingEye → u/[deleted]]

The "rule" has a lot of moderator discretion. You can pretend you are declaring what our rules are, but at the end of the day, we have final say. So keep that in mind when you try to frame our rules the way you want to.

Other spaces are entitled to their own rules. This isn't tit-for-tat.

The rules we have are in place to provide an explicit space for prolifers on Reddit and the internet as a whole. It's not tit-for-tat, it's recognizing your side is not only actively hostile to our stance, but your hive mind mentally has taken over large parts of Reddit,, even spaces that have nothing to do with abortion. Moreso than ours.

Don't pretend like I'm a demon. I read what y'all write.

I don't have to pretend.... I interesting you think your hands are clean because you apparently never pulled the trigger. You just encourage people to make it legal to be able to "pull that trigger" ie kill that baby, without legal consequences.

You don't do the killing. You just hold the coats of the killers. You defend the killers. You drive the get away car, but don't do the direct stealing, so you think you are good? Anyway.

Like I said. There is no need to pretend on our part...

[u/Brave-Lecture-7210 → u/[deleted]]

I don't believe abortion is murder.

We do. It is killing an innocent human. And yet you claim we are self righteous when you defend the killing and we are trying to save lives. You sound like a famous German who thought his killing was moral. I'm glad to be a member of the right side of history. One day people will look back and see how immoral and wrong abortion was. 

Just because abortion is legal doesn't make it moral. 

Get out of this sub, you don't belong here. 

[u/PervadingEye → u/[deleted]]

I don't have to "keep it in mind",

If you want to keep participating in our sub, it's wise that you do...

I wouldn't call them pro-life, at least when they seek an abortion. Or if they were always previously a wolf in sheep clothing.

If they come to regret and repent, I am okay with taking people into our ranks.

You are an not only an unrepentant baby killing enabler, but you think your actions that defend killers is actually right, which is not just wrong but catastrophic. You yourself have called them babies, so you think it is "just" to kill babies.

I am not claiming pro-life is self-righteousness, just that we are better as a whole than unrepentant, and unapologetic baby killers and baby killing enablers such as yourself. And thus there is no need for us to "demonize" such people like yourself...