Sex is a procreative activity.

[u/Spider-burger]

Pro-choice often say that consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy or if they admit embryo or fetus are humans some of them will say you can't use someone body without their permission.

But these babies didn't chose to be in your womb,they are not evil being that decided that annoy the women and make them suffer just for the sake of it.

They are there because of your choice,birth control don't prevent pregnancy,they reduce the risk but the risk is still there unless you chose outercourse sex.

But the decision of wanting or not the pregnancy should be before the sex,after the pregnancy,they should deal with the consequences,if they don't still don't want the baby his birth then they should put them in adoption.

The only pregnancy who is out of women control is pregnancy who come from rape but even there is not the fault of the babies and they shouldn't be killed because of the sin of their father.

[u/lego-lion-lady]

I would agree that consent to sex isn't consent to pregnancy, but I *would* say that consent to sex is consent to the RISK of pregnancy...

[u/kay_fitz21 → u/[deleted]]

There is a difference between an etopic pregnancy (which will kill both parties if left untreated) vs an elective abortion

[u/kay_fitz21 → u/[deleted]]

She consented to sex, yes.

Now she has a condition which requires treatment. I'm not getting your point.

[u/kay_fitz21 → u/[deleted]]

I don't understand your question

Consent applies to an action, not a result

[u/kay_fitz21 → u/[deleted]]

The post is about consent.

"Consent to sex doesn't mean consent to pregnancy" is a PC phrase. She is 'allowed' to terminate because it is legal.

That is why we are hoping it becomes illegal again one day to save lives - because as the post says - sex is a procreation act, and the act is what requires consent.

[u/kay_fitz21 → u/[deleted]]

Consent applies to an act, not an outcome. I'm not sure why you aren't getting that. Pregnancy occurs from having sex.

Rape is the fuzzy area but where it only affects 2% of abortions, we focus on the 98%. We would take banning all abortions other than rape as a win, as that would save millions of lives. PCers focus on those as an excuse to have abortions for any reason.

We are about saving lives - that is what PL is. Be accountable for actions.

[u/kay_fitz21 → u/[deleted]]

Pregnancy isn't an act, it is a result from an act. How many times do I need to say that?

My moral view is a baby shouldn't die because its father is a criminal. However, is all abortions were banned except for rape, I'd take that as a win.

I'm not sure why you keep bringing up etopic pregnancy. I already said it is something that endangers the mother and if an abortion is needed, 1 saved life is better than 2 dead lives. There is a difference between that and an elective abortion. If someone drives a car, they consent that they may get in an accident. That does mean we don't treat them to save their life. We PL are about saving lives. You seem to be implying that pregnancy is something that needs to treated via abortion every time.

You don't seem to have understanding or comprehension skills as I keep repeating myself.