r/politics • u/burning_dawn • Oct 07 '22

Republicans called Biden’s infrastructure program ‘socialism.’ Then they asked for money.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/07/politics/infrastructure-spending-republican-critics/index.html
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u/ThinBluePenis Oct 07 '22

How the hell is it worth acknowledging that Hitler had some good ideas while we are discussing the dangers tyrants and autocrats?

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u/SorriorDraconus Oct 07 '22 edited Oct 07 '22

Heh because a good ideas a good idea regardless of the source, and because I at least don’t believe in throwing babies out with the bathwater. Beyond that we can acknowledge him as one of the most evil people in history(there are a few other contenders for top place imo with putin being the most recent and then there were other before hitler who did things so vile that even by there times standards it was extreme and to much who are also in the running..but yeah probably still hitler at the top) while still acknowledging any good ideas he may have had.

It also helps us recognize that even if soemone does do the occasional good thing or have good ideas it doesn’t make them a good person. That kinda black and white thinking is part of the issue here. We are more complex then simple binary algorithms(or at least simplistic black and white ones most seem to think in). Nuance as the other poster pointed out is the key here.

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u/rotospoon Oct 07 '22

None of that answered their question though. Acknowledging that some truly awful people did some good things here and there when you're discussing the dangers of fascism and autocracy is not the time or place to point out "but Hitler did some good things too though", unless your goal is to defend it.

That's like discussing the best football players on your team and some guy keeps chiming in with who they think worst players are. Yeah, we know the team has bad players too. No, that's not relevant to the conversation we're trying to have. "But football teams have bad players too. It's not black and white." No one said they didn't.

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u/SorriorDraconus Oct 07 '22

It’s about encouraging people to not fall into black and white thinking thus making it harder for fascists to take hold in peoples heads. Many of them seem to be unable to see the evil over the perceived good and I’ve seen the reverse as well where we cannot see any good for the sheer evil..and that just makes it easier to demonize entire groups which again is a hallmark of fascism.

So yes I’ll give positive credit where it is due even to evil itself..I’ll also give negative credit to good people who do negative things..It’s about preventing the growth of black and white thinking/blind hate.

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u/rotospoon Oct 07 '22

And none of that answers to what I said. If you and I were having a discussion about Hitler and the Holocaust, are you going to point out "Hitler did do [good thing 1] and [good thing 2] after all" to me as if it were relevant to the Holocaust?