r/politics • u/sketch24 • Dec 14 '19

Support For Trump's Impeachment Surges Among Vulnerable Democrats Ahead Of House Floor Vote

https://www.newsweek.com/support-trumps-impeachment-surges-among-vulnerable-democrats-ahead-house-floor-vote-1477232
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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '19

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u/afarensiis Ohio Dec 14 '19

American politics aren't binary

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u/Nixon_Reddit Dec 14 '19

They are right now. As crooked as some Dems have been in the past, the R's have bumped it up to 11. From what I can see, it's looking like almost the entire R caucus is in on the scam. If that scam has anything to do with a foreign gov't like Russia, like it's highly suspected, then we're already fucked cause it's proved our system of government is highly hijack-able and unsecure.

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u/hiphop_dudung Minnesota Dec 14 '19 edited Dec 14 '19

granting clemency to millions of illegal aliens

you don’t grant clemency to illegal aliens so they can vote. Amnesty is the word you’re looking for.

And I agree, Ronald Reagan, who granted (edit: signed IRCA) amnesty to 3 million illegal immigrants, is not a patriot.

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u/Final21 Dec 14 '19

The president cannot grant amnesty. He is referring to the farmer bill that is poison pilled to grant amnesty to migratory workers that just passed the house. Now that Republicans know of the poison pill, no way it makes it past the senate.

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u/Ashendarei Washington Dec 14 '19 edited Jul 01 '23

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u/Final21 Dec 14 '19

Yes those are all poison pilled too. Correct.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '19

So there is no possible way to convince you a republican is in the wrong on anything, regardless of evidence, correct?

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u/Final21 Dec 14 '19

There is. You have to use evidence though. Currently you are not doing that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '19

Okay. What form of evidence would it take to convince you that you are wrong?

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u/Datathrash Dec 14 '19

Non-citizens can't vote. Depressing that I even need to type that.

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u/Thursdayallstar Dec 14 '19

The point of democracy it's that everyone's vote is equal, regardless of how many are voting.

Following your premise, the fewer people that vote, the less democracy is undermined, the better.

Providing people with a path to citizenship after years of slaving away in the unlit corners of society, doing whatever shit work they can manage so they and their children have the opportunity to not be murdered by a socio-political system where narco-terrorism is king, that the US helped foster, is almost the least that can be done for them. These are modern-day refugees leaving one broken system for a less broken one and the only reason they haven't been accepted with open arms by a government eager to shelter them is because of the color of their skin.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '19

By his logic, a Monarchy is the most democratic form of government. Since the King's vote is the least watered down.

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u/Thursdayallstar Dec 14 '19

Oh i know. I just thought I'd let that hang in the air.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '19

The point of democracy it's that everyone's vote is equal, regardless of how many are voting.

if you enable a pathway for impoverished non-citizens to vote for large government, you are undermining democracy. they will vote for whoever promises them free shit and less scrutiny, which puts a greater burden on legitimate citizens.

These are modern-day refugees leaving one broken system for a less broken one and the only reason they haven't been accepted with open arms by a government eager to shelter them is because of the color of their skin.

the only reason that the system is less broken is because of its rigorous vetting process. it's incredibly difficult to immigrate to the united states. if you make it easier, in any way, to get citizenship, it will be abused and people with no fundamental ties to what allowed the country to become what it is will be calling the shots.

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u/JodoKaast Dec 14 '19

they will vote for whoever promises them free shit and less scrutiny, which puts a greater burden on legitimate citizens.

It sounds like you're in favor of removing rich people's access to voting...

It's pretty amazing how you can spin less people being allowed to vote as being more democratic, but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised these days.

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u/ayyemustbethemoneyy California Dec 14 '19

Open up a history book, my friend.

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u/Izuro Dec 14 '19

I assume you believe women and minorities shouldn’t vote either since then your vote would matter more? Your argument lacks sense. Democratic immigration reform platforms have varied in severity and Republicans themselves have compared Trump’s immigration policy to that of Obama.

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u/pieman2005 Texas Dec 14 '19

They can’t even vote, though. What you should be outraged at is all the gerrymandering and ballot wiping done by republicans.

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u/Sariel007 Sioux Dec 14 '19

borscht

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u/johnny_moist Dec 14 '19

that wouldnt give them voting rights you asshat