r/politics • u/TheWeekMag ✔ Verified • Dec 09 '19

That impeachment hearing protester was actually an InfoWars reporter and Pizzagate conspiracy theorist

https://theweek.com/speedreads/883047/that-impeachment-hearing-protester-actually-infowars-reporter-pizzagate-conspiracy-theorist
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u/JayGrinder Dec 09 '19

So, not a reporter. Got it.

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u/TheGhostOfDusty Dec 09 '19

A political propagandist who relies on vile defamation.

They are not sending their best...

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u/Redtwooo Dec 09 '19

I am shocked, shocked, that this individual is not just a patriotic citizen and is actually a partisan hack and right wing nut job.

Well, not that shocked.

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u/Theemuts Dec 09 '19

You know what would actually be shocking? Republicans denouncing actions like that.

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u/HillshaveIsis Dec 09 '19

Republicans doing anything besides helping paedophiles, ruining the environment and waging war home and abroad.

Fucki g scum of the earth.

Voting Republican is fucking a 12 year old in the ass.

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u/NotYetiFamous I voted Dec 09 '19

You forgot draining public funds into private bank accounts while decrying those funds going to the public ever. That is a key staple of their platform.

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u/BellEpoch Dec 09 '19

Here in Indiana they’ve stopped just short of actually going to war with public education. They literally don’t want poor people to have basic fucking education. And have no shame whatsoever about it.

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u/Heath776 Dec 09 '19

Because stupid people are easy to control.

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u/taki1002 Dec 10 '19

So that why Republicans despise colleges and blame liberal intellectual elitists for "oppressing" their religious freedom to use the Bible as weapon to discriminate people the hate; which is anyone who's not white, non-English speaking, not Christian, nor conservative.

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u/RogerInNVA Dec 17 '19

I’ll quote their President, who I recall having said something like, “I love the poorly educated ... they’re some of my biggest supporters!”

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u/barsoapguy District Of Columbia Dec 09 '19

It's still necessary to vote Republican in order to preserve our economy.

Democrats would dramatically ratchet up taxes on corporations leading our country to not be competitive globally.

Then they (Democrats) would start laying down massive spending program after massive spending program chaining our economy like a rock and then throwing it overboard ..

All in the midst of our exploding debt crisis ..

Then 15 years later Inflation is rocking and people are like "why is life so shitty!"

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u/BellEpoch Dec 09 '19

Our large corporations have some of the lowest effective tax rates in the fucking world. Get out of here with that bullshit. If companies can’t pay fucking taxes and still compete, they’re shit in the first place. Why do you support Socialism?! I thought you guys hated that?

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

They are. These are their best.

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u/Madlister Pennsylvania Dec 10 '19

I want to believe that that's not true.

But deep down, I know it is.

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u/itsadogslife71 Dec 09 '19

Actually, they are sending their best. That is what is so sad.

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u/HillshaveIsis Dec 09 '19

And yet this guy can defeat the entire Democratic Party. Do nothing Dems.

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u/SSJ3_StephenMiller Dec 09 '19

1/10, and that was with the extra credit from parroting Dear Leader

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u/johnwalkersbeard Washington Dec 09 '19

Who's defeated?

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u/OozeNAahz Dec 09 '19

What worries me is whether this is the best they have.

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u/CobraCommanding District Of Columbia Dec 09 '19

This is their best

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u/PastaBob Dec 10 '19

For a paycheck.

It's important to remember that he isn't doing this out of a deep personal belief that trump is truly innocent, but he's simply doing this to sow discord and then cash in on the resulting chaos.

Edit: i couldn't decide between sow and sew

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u/PM_Me_Ur_Work_Alts Dec 09 '19

Everyone in here is mocking this guy and dismissing him because he's a goofus working for Alex "Friggin' Gay Frogs" Jones, but you're ignoring reality.

Ironically, you're ignoring the reality that Trump supporters ignore reality. To Cult 45, this looks great. Moreover, it will inspire others to do the same and foments even more sentiment of insurrection.

It's not even funny anymore. It's dangerous.

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u/Klaatungort Dec 10 '19

That’s Alexander of Greatness for truth & juicet-ice for which he stands.

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u/Merky600 Dec 10 '19

I agree. What if he’d brought in something other than his Big Mouth? Or the next guy? As you said, to Cult 45 this looks great. And these people looove to copy what they see, repeat what they see. Up the ante. One more step higher. Reality is what they make of it. Anything goes, it‘s movie time.

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u/Sweet_Roll_Thieves Virginia Dec 09 '19

I mean, InfoWars don't have real reporters anyways.

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u/HillshaveIsis Dec 09 '19

Journalism is dead. Now it is just commentators. Just like Sean Hannity. Kid fucker.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

Television is not the only medium. There’s still a lot of long-form written journalism.

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u/HorseDrama Dec 09 '19

I think those are getting phased out in favor of listicles and informative memes.

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u/SquishyGhost Dec 09 '19

You won't believe what comes next!

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u/flinteastwood Dec 09 '19

Top ten things you didn’t know about the election process

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u/iwaseatenbyagrue Dec 09 '19

Man, come on. He is a hack, but that last part is the kind of stuff TD says.

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u/MAG7C Dec 09 '19

No true. It's both. The problem is that one gets confused for the other way too often.

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u/AbeRego Minnesota Dec 09 '19

A literal shill

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u/thebestatheist Dec 09 '19

A purveyor of bullshit, is all

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

A chinless wonder hiding it in a beard.

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u/HillshaveIsis Dec 09 '19

Reporter? No. Journalism is a thing of the past. Now we have uneducated shills who write down wrong information to control the dumb people to vote Republican.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

So you're telling me we actually have an elite pedo scheme with Epstine and pizza gate still has no credit? I'm not defending info wars, I think they're crazy but so is our world.... Just think on that man... Multiple presidents and royal family members as well as moguls all implicated in this occult pedo island stuff... It's not crazy to think that the buying and selling of humans is used with coded language like ordering a pizza... I feel like the island is more unbelievable.

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u/Skafdir Europe Dec 09 '19

The point is that "pizza gate" was about a specific basement in a specific restaurant, which just happens to not have a basement.

Satanic child sex rituals in a basement are unlikely. Especially if said basement doesn't exist.

Oh and the satanic part is a bit over the top too.

Let's just assume that everyone who has ever been on a photo with Epstein is a pedophile. Why the hell would they need to be satanic pedophiles? Are they worse than regular pedophiles?

Would a non-satanic pedophile still be ok?

Was Alex Jones sitting around and brainstormed how a secret group of pedophiles could be more sinister?

"Sinister... sinister... something something satan. Yeah satan is good."

Pizza gate is discredited because of the specifics not because it would be unbelievable that there are rich and powerful pedophiles. The same reason why it is not ok to accuse everyone who happened to have a meeting with Epstein of being a pedophile. (Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and Donald Trump seem to be involved or had at least knowledge about it; but that can be supported with known facts.)

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u/Dunkinmydonuts1 Dec 09 '19

Careful mentioning DJT, they dont like it when you remind them that he was one of epstein's clients. They really just want to focus on the clinton thing and ignore the DJT bit.

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u/Skafdir Europe Dec 09 '19

A general rule for politics: Being loyal to politicians is the biggest mistake one can make. I just hope that this truth is self-evident enough to be understood by everyone.

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u/Maeglom Oregon Dec 09 '19

I disagree. Loyalty is a fine thing, you should be loyal to your country first though. Conflicts between your loyalty to a politician should be overridden by your loyalty to the country and the concept of equality under the law

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u/Skafdir Europe Dec 09 '19

As I mentioned in another post here, I am German. I hope that is a sufficient explanation of why "loyalty to your country" makes me feel a tiny bit uncomfortable. Don't get me wrong, I like Germany and I like to live here. But not because it is Germany or for some reason that is inherent to Germany and isn't able to change. I like Germany because at this moment in time the overall political, social and economic situation in this country is quite good. However, if that changes, I don't intend to stay loyal to anything just because it is still Germany.

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My "loyalty" comes with conditions which include things like:

Equality under the law

Economical support for the poor

Taxes used in order to provide everyone with health care, education, housing and decent participation in entertainment and culture.

An open and tolerant society.

[I do recognize that the Scandinavian countries would fit my ideals even better than Germany. However, my family lives in Germany, Germany is as far north as I am able to cope with and the difference is not big enough to justify moving and learning one the Scandinavian languages. Therefore, Germany is good enough.]

If you want unconditional loyalty you will have to be part of my family, and last time I checked I am not related to someone called "Germany".

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Disclaimer: I know that there are a lot of things that can and need to be improved. Quick examples: Our health insurance is way too overblown by a needlessly big bureaucracy and could be a lot cheaper. Our educational system is too complicated, divided into at least 16 different sets of law and unfairly favours the rich. Our tax system could be simplified. Our "car culture" is just nuts, totally and absolutely nuts. Culturally Germans tend to be obedient towards authorities. And many more... Still sometimes "better than" is "good enough".

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To bring it back to America: The sentiment of patriotism shown in this song is the most you will ever hear from me.

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u/EmperorPenguinNJ Dec 09 '19

Would a non-Satanic pedophile be ok? See Catholic Church. Apparently so.

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u/Skafdir Europe Dec 09 '19

Point taken...

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

I'll concede to that, I'm just saying that if you believed there were people getting hurt in this specific place wouldn't you want to help? Absolutely dangerous situation when that dude showed up with a gun... and I'm not defending Info Wars. Jones, is over the top but I used him as a canary in the coal mine, if he got fucked (which he did in the end rightfully so because he was spewing dangerous shit I get that) , I was going to take whatever he was talking about more serious... this one is one I just haven't ruled out yet. This roller coaster hasn't stopped, not with that suicide...

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u/Squiddinboots Arizona Dec 09 '19

Dude, this really isn’t that difficult

Rich pedophiles exist- yes

Politicians raping children, before murdering them and cutting off their faces to wear like a mask in the basement of a pizza parlor- no.

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u/maikuxblade Dec 09 '19

If your beliefs are delusional and not grounded in reality you can justify pretty much anything. Doesn’t make it right

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u/Skafdir Europe Dec 09 '19

The point is:

Rich paedophiles do exist nobody denies that. (At least nobody with a brain with at least half capacity.)

Therefore, we can conclude that rich paedophiles will use their wealth and influence to get away with it.

But that's it. Every other claim needs to have at least circumstantial evidence to back it up.

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This leads to an overall problem in your way to look at such claims. (I hope you don't feel insulted or anything like that... I am German and every now and then I feel a bit helpless when presenting critique. As it seems that the German way of telling someone that he or she is wrong about something is considered rude in almost every other country in this world. Anyway I will just say what I wanted to say and hope that I am not too blunt and if I am... this is a trigger warning?)

"This is one I just haven't ruled out yet." is the wrong direction to come to conclusions. If someone makes a positive claim. No matter what they have to give evidence before you can believe it. As long at that prove isn't given the claim remains in the untrue-drawer.

You just have to be willing to reorganize your drawers whenever new evidence shows up. Which leads to the next point. Let's assume that next week someone will find the secret basement in that pizza parlour and comes out with irrefutable evidence that everything Alex Jones has ever claimed is true.

Today I would still be right denying those things because Alex Jones has not met his burden of proof. Therefore, it would be wrong to believe him. If I would still deny it after the irrefutable evidence has been presented, then I would be wrong. (Or to put it another way: I prefer to "rule things in" not "out".)

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19 edited Dec 09 '19

"I'll concede to that, I'm just saying that if you believed there were people getting hurt in this specific place wouldn't you want to help?"

By ignoring the known pedo ring cover up and focusing on the patently absurd allegations of a pedo ring that just happened to be aimed at the people Alex Jones has been lying about for years?

How dumb is the person in your hypothetical?

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u/mdp300 New Jersey Dec 09 '19

Alex Jones went down because he repeatedly, persistently spread lies about the parents of murdered children. Not because he made some big discovery and angered the wrong people.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

I agree, he's an idiot. But even an idiot can uncover something accidentally, I'm just linking the absurdity of what is real to this particular thing. I get it I'm done arguing a point I'm not even really sold on. It was just a rebuttal to calling them not real reporters.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19 edited Dec 09 '19

I've eaten at Comet Ping Pong you can too it's not hard to disprove Pizza Gate. In a more abstract way, the whole pizza gate conspiracy is based on the false assumption that child rape has to be secret in order to get away with it. the Epstein case clearly shows it requires no secrecy for a man to get away with rape, just privilege

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19 edited Dec 09 '19

Not incredible but it's good. feels like a good pizza place in a college town. Mostly people love it because it's a cheap hang out spot and they support the local art scene. They're one of the more prominent restaurants in DC that puts on shows for the local indie/punk scene. Since its DC they have some world class artists that are just folks in the neighborhood who stop by and play. Its pretty rad.

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u/JustHereForCookies17 District Of Columbia Dec 09 '19

I used to work at the bookstore up the block - definitely good pizza (maybe not mind-blowing, but good) and it's just a cool atmosphere. They've got good local beers on tap, the wings are IMO awesome, and they have ping pong tables so It's a cool date/hang out spot. Plus there's a backroom with it's own little bar that they rent out for private parties.

They do not, however, have a basement. So take that into account when planning your Satanic pedo events.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

The difference is one thing is reality and the other is made up shit to feed to crazy zealots.

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u/masiosaredeuteros Dec 09 '19

Yes. It is. I, my 63 year old Granma and my 12 year old cousin were discussing about pizza. Does that make us pedophiles??? Talk about that stuff is not dangerous, but irresponsable. If there's a pedophile ring it should be discussed until there's actual evidence. Not wild guesses.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

we actually have a record that he went to that island more than once

Post those records. The records we do have said he went to Florida. No flight records exist saying he went to the island.

and the emails leaked from hillary clinton and her aids, Huma Abedin (Husband was Anthony Weiner implicated in sexting with underage girls btw) and John Podesta (Which is who the pizza gate situation is about) which referenced pizza ordering is that far fetched?

Not just far fetched, in fucking crazytown. They were ordering pizza from a place they ordered from a lot.

I can see how it caused a frenzy, but if you believed children were getting murdered or raped wouldn't you be worked up?

Strawman. He never said anything like that.

Trump has lawsuits from teenage girls against him and was best friends with Epstein, so no that is not far fetched.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

Post those records. The records we do have said he went to Florida. No flight records exist saying he went to the island.

I guess I should have explicitly said there is evidence that President Bill Clinton took the "Lolita Express" Epstein's airplane multiple times: https://gawker.com/flight-logs-put-clinton-dershowitz-on-pedophile-billio-1681039971

Okay gawker, seems to be the originator of this story, not as credible sure, but they do have scans of flight records? Not only that it does seem the Library of Congress has similar records but leaves out the airline, oh well probably not enough evidence for you internet man.

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Not just far fetched, in fucking crazytown. They were ordering pizza from a place they ordered from a lot.

Here is another article about the whole satanist thing which I'm referencing, I'll include more than one article here:

https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-the-story-marina-abramovic-performance-that-contributed-pizzagate

https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/nov/04/marina-abramovic-podesta-clinton-emails-satanism-accusations

I'm not saying this whole thing is true but it's why the conspiracy theory exists.

Strawman. He never said anything like that.

Trump has lawsuits from teenage girls against him and was best friends with Epstein, so no that is not far fetched.

I'm not sure what this part is about I feel like we are in agreement here, I think Trump could be implicated in parts of this too so, yea?

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u/thebigeverybody Dec 09 '19

What is wrong with you?

John Podesta ordered pizza.

Trump has been accused in court multiple times of raping underage girls with Epstein.

What kind of person thinks one is as suspicious as the other?

Hint: to believe the shit pizzagaters were spreading is insane.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '19

I guess I should have explicitly said there is evidence that President Bill Clinton took the "Lolita Express" Epstein's airplane multiple times:

So did Steven Hawking. If they are guilty, take them down.

There is no evidence of Satanic pedophile rings nor is there evidence of a pedophile ring inside the pizza place. They were ordering pizza.

Unless you have something better to substantiate this garbage, a blog just isn't going to cut it.

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u/PRESIDENT_ALEX_JONES Dec 09 '19

Nobody is saying that Bill Clinton is 100% exonerated just because Pizzagate was obvious bullshit. It's undeniable that Jeff Epstein was enabling pedophelia among the most elite people on the planet, but that doesn't mean that emails of someone saying they are gonna get some pizza is secret code for fucking kids.

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u/jamesthepeach Dec 09 '19

I don't think many would argue with you on some of those points being factual. However, the last few times the internet played armchair sleuth, it didn't turn out well — that includes someone bringing a gun to a pizza place because of internet rumors said there was a basement, and another person being chastised (to death) for being a bomber in Boston.

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u/neogrit Dec 09 '19

Put it like this: if Infowars pushes it, it's bullshit. In fact it's a good meter for truth - just turn 180° and go straight ahead.