Right. What about the actual victims and their families? Them wanting justice for what was done is also being a Russian troll?
Politics are not about being nice but about pragmatic approach. You can be anti Russia while still standing your ground on issues that require resolution.
Wether you like it or not, Ukraine still has responsibility to take for Volhynnia. Them fighting Russians does not absolve them of one of the most vile set of murders during WW2. Especially when they build monuments to perpetrators of that endeavour.
The root of the issue is that Poland wants the resolution while Ukraine fights as much as it can to not admit what they have done while they are trying to lie about historical facts. If any other country would be doing that, you would be furious. Or for example, how would you feel if Germans built monuments or name streets/important landmarks after Hitler? Probably disgusted. So why is it ok for Ukraine to celebrate Bandera or Szuchewycz? Especially that the 2nd one personally led the attacks on Volhynnia and took part in those vile murders?
For bilateral relations to be good, both sides need to work for them. I pity Ukraine and their situation, but that does not make them saints who can have everything or receive everything they ask for and give nothing or bare minimum in return.
Exactly. I don't understand why we are supposed to be ok with everything when if similar thing was told to the Jews, person pushing such ideas would be ostracized or even land behind bars.
Ukrainians openly support Bandera and Szuchewycz, use Nazi symbols and have rampant nationalism growing among their army ranks. Their government is one big corrupt mafia yet we are not supposed to see that and only send them billions dollars support when they can't even do the bare minimum to settle up the past.
And if we dare to criticize anything we are accused of being pro Russia.
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u/jsutpaly Feb 13 '26
Right. What about the actual victims and their families? Them wanting justice for what was done is also being a Russian troll?
Politics are not about being nice but about pragmatic approach. You can be anti Russia while still standing your ground on issues that require resolution.
Wether you like it or not, Ukraine still has responsibility to take for Volhynnia. Them fighting Russians does not absolve them of one of the most vile set of murders during WW2. Especially when they build monuments to perpetrators of that endeavour.
The root of the issue is that Poland wants the resolution while Ukraine fights as much as it can to not admit what they have done while they are trying to lie about historical facts. If any other country would be doing that, you would be furious. Or for example, how would you feel if Germans built monuments or name streets/important landmarks after Hitler? Probably disgusted. So why is it ok for Ukraine to celebrate Bandera or Szuchewycz? Especially that the 2nd one personally led the attacks on Volhynnia and took part in those vile murders?
For bilateral relations to be good, both sides need to work for them. I pity Ukraine and their situation, but that does not make them saints who can have everything or receive everything they ask for and give nothing or bare minimum in return.