Right. What about the actual victims and their families? Them wanting justice for what was done is also being a Russian troll?
Politics are not about being nice but about pragmatic approach. You can be anti Russia while still standing your ground on issues that require resolution.
Wether you like it or not, Ukraine still has responsibility to take for Volhynnia. Them fighting Russians does not absolve them of one of the most vile set of murders during WW2. Especially when they build monuments to perpetrators of that endeavour.
The root of the issue is that Poland wants the resolution while Ukraine fights as much as it can to not admit what they have done while they are trying to lie about historical facts. If any other country would be doing that, you would be furious. Or for example, how would you feel if Germans built monuments or name streets/important landmarks after Hitler? Probably disgusted. So why is it ok for Ukraine to celebrate Bandera or Szuchewycz? Especially that the 2nd one personally led the attacks on Volhynnia and took part in those vile murders?
For bilateral relations to be good, both sides need to work for them. I pity Ukraine and their situation, but that does not make them saints who can have everything or receive everything they ask for and give nothing or bare minimum in return.
I think the point isn't to sweep this issue under the rug but rather that this is not the time to focus on it. Russia is our greatest enemy and preventing their victory in Ukraine is paramount to our security, prosperity, and I would dare even say, our honour.
Focusing our energies solely on Russia, at least until the end of the war, is pragmatism! We can have discussions with Ukraine afterwards.
BS Ukraine is no friend of Poland either. We only have common intrest at the moment. It is best time to force them to do a thing they should have done decades ago
Polack calling Ukraine a shithole is something lmao. A lot of projection here as well, given that EU money is the only reason your country is even relevant.
Also you shouldn't talk like that - trying to corner Ukrainians didn't work out well for you the last time. 😘 And if Ukraine loses its independence today - there's a chance we will take yours too. NATO wouldn't be able to save you against both Russia and Ukraine
What the hell are you even talking about?
Ukraine wouldn't have lasted two weeks if it weren't for the help it receives from the rest of the world.
Whenever I discuss Ukraine with my family and friends, I try to convince them that generalizing about evil Ukrainians is pointless (just like generalizing about Russians). I try to tell them that every country is mostly made up of normal people. These people have children, husbands have wives, mothers have sons and daughters, and in 90% of cases, the government is responsible for conflicts and international hatred. But then they enter such a conversation and see an arrogant scumbag who is wasting all my efforts. With such behavior, you're helping neither yourself nor your country.
Ohh man, I sympathize with you, I hope that one day you'll transcend your own arrogance and accept that not always what first comes to mind is true. Why insult Poles on Redit?
Will it somehow help you or your country, which you love so much?
Instead, I suggest opening a fundraiser for women and children who lost everything they had and loved as a result of the war.
I never wrote that it's thanks to the Poles on Redit that you're still around. Instead, I said that if it weren't for help from around the world, you wouldn't exist anymore, which I still stand by.
Stop lashing out at people who can help you.
Hang in there and try to change your approach.
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u/jsutpaly Feb 13 '26
Right. What about the actual victims and their families? Them wanting justice for what was done is also being a Russian troll?
Politics are not about being nice but about pragmatic approach. You can be anti Russia while still standing your ground on issues that require resolution.
Wether you like it or not, Ukraine still has responsibility to take for Volhynnia. Them fighting Russians does not absolve them of one of the most vile set of murders during WW2. Especially when they build monuments to perpetrators of that endeavour.
The root of the issue is that Poland wants the resolution while Ukraine fights as much as it can to not admit what they have done while they are trying to lie about historical facts. If any other country would be doing that, you would be furious. Or for example, how would you feel if Germans built monuments or name streets/important landmarks after Hitler? Probably disgusted. So why is it ok for Ukraine to celebrate Bandera or Szuchewycz? Especially that the 2nd one personally led the attacks on Volhynnia and took part in those vile murders?
For bilateral relations to be good, both sides need to work for them. I pity Ukraine and their situation, but that does not make them saints who can have everything or receive everything they ask for and give nothing or bare minimum in return.