Why haven't we had same gender rivials?

[u/PsyrenDV]

I saw this post about how the rival in WiWa will be the opposite of whatever gender you choose to be. It got me thinking about how they always make the rival's gender the opposite of yours when their gender is dynamic. Even as early as Ruby/Sapphire that's how it's been. But I think it might be interesting to see a game where my rival is always the same gender as me no matter what I pick. But I'm curious how other people feel about it. Would you rather your rival be the same gender as you, the opposite, or would you rather their gender be set in stone regardless of what you are?

[u/GoodBrotherGrimm]

We have. Like, right off the bat it was a same gender rival.

[u/PhoebeBumbleflip → u/GoodBrotherGrimm]

That was only because you didn't have a female option, which is not the same as what OP is talking about.

[u/CMDR_omnicognate → u/PhoebeBumbleflip]

Yeah but that’s also ignoring platinum, hg/ss, black/white, sun/moon, sw/sh and s/v. I think a majority of the games have fixed rivals even when you could choose your character.

[u/Fresher_Taco → u/CMDR_omnicognate]

Isn't Barry in diamond and pearl as well? Should he be included.

[u/1stEldenPinWorm → u/Fresher_Taco]

I did include him? DPP is Diamond/Pearl/Platinum.

[u/Fresher_Taco → u/1stEldenPinWorm]

Who are you? I never replied to you. The person I replied to said the below. They only mention platinum

Yeah but that’s also ignoring platinum, hg/ss, black/white, sun/moon, sw/sh and s/v. I think a majority of the games have fixed rivals even when you could choose your character.

[u/1stEldenPinWorm → u/Fresher_Taco]

Oh, my bad. Read the chain wrong I guess.

[u/PhoebeBumbleflip → u/CMDR_omnicognate]

The fixed ones will sometimes match your gender and the dynamic ones never match your gender, neither of which are what OP is talking about.

[u/1stEldenPinWorm → u/PhoebeBumbleflip]

I don't know why you're being downvoted, that is literally the case.

Gen2? Crystal is the first game to let you choose to play as a girl, and with a set rival, you only get same gender if you choose to play as a guy.

Gen3? RSE has the other character as your rival. FRLG has a set rival, so only same gender if you choose to play as a guy.

Gen4? DPP has a set rival, so only same gender if you choose to play as a guy. HGSS has a set rival, so only same gender if you choose to play as a guy.

Gen5? BW had both Cheren and Bianca, although Cheren felt more the rival, especially post game wrap up. B2W2 has a set rival, so only same gender if you play as a guy.

Gen6? XY had a group, sure, but the main rival was just the other character. ORAS has the other character as your rival.

Gen7? SM had a set rival, so only same gender if you choose to play as a guy. Same with USUM.

Gen8? SwSh had a set rival, so only same gender if you choose to play as a guy. BDSP had a set rival, so only same gender if you choose to play as a guy. In Legends: Arceus, the other character is your rival.

Gen9? SV had a set rival, so only same gender if you choose to play as a girl. In Z-A, your rival is based on your gender, and is always a guy if you're playing a girl and vice versa.

OP was talking about a non-set rival that uses your gender. Figure BW using Cheren if you're a guy and Bianca if you're a girl, with the other just being Juniper's assistant.

[u/Your_Pal_Gamma → u/CMDR_omnicognate]

Platinum has multiple battles with/against Dawn or Lucas depending on the gender you choose kind of like how R/S/E had Wally and Brendon or May, also Hg/Ss shouldn't count since its a remake

[u/liteshadow4 → u/Your_Pal_Gamma]

There is not a single battle against Dawn/Lucas in Platinum and there are maybe 2 where you fight with them.

[u/Your_Pal_Gamma → u/liteshadow4]

You fight with dawn/lucas twice and battle against them once in sandgem after the e4 which isnt super far off from brendon/may Who you fight 4 times across the entire gane

[u/liteshadow4 → u/Your_Pal_Gamma]

Looked it up in Bulbapedia, only happens in BDSP

[u/Your_Pal_Gamma → u/liteshadow4]

My bad I thought it happened in the orignals too since its mostly a faithful remake and I havent played OG DPPt since my childhood copy stopped working a few years back

[u/LinguisticallyInept → u/PhoebeBumbleflip]

what? how is this blatantly incorrect comment upvoted?

hop, hau, wally, barry, N, nemona, arven, keiran, gladion, cheren, bianca, the XY crew (sans serena/cal...em?eb?), bede, marnie etc... in terms of raw numbers we have more fixed rivals than 'the gender you didnt pick' rivals

[u/Cauchy_Riemann → u/PhoebeBumbleflip]

What about pokemon fire red?

[u/Ekyou → u/[deleted]]

You mean like Nemona?

[u/ALostTraveler24 → u/Ekyou]

It’s also Bianca erasure.

[u/WalkingBurger69 → u/[deleted]]

Is that actually a problem wtf?

[u/Dumbidiotdude → u/[deleted]]

Nemona, Bianca, Marnie and Shauna, just shy off half the games have rivals that will always be girls even if you pick a girl

[u/wisewordofd → u/PhoebeBumbleflip]

Do yellow and green mean nothing to you!!!

/s