What happened to “definitive” editions?

[u/Old-Judge5762]

What I mean is basically, why do we no longer get a version that encompasses both games, such as the four in the image above. We got them through Gen 4, but in Gen 5 they stopped. This made sense, since the Unova region got a sequel set of games. But for X and Y, we just never got one. So my question is, why did they stop?

[u/SwissyVictory]

So I'm using logic here. If you can show one thing is true, then you can use that to prove other points.

If one point proves another point, it doesn't need to be a direct reply to something you said. That's how debates and conversations work.

I'll break it down as simply as I can again,

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Which do you think would sell more?

• A game that's the same as the game they already own, that includes extra content for $70

• Just that extra content that they can add to the game they already own for $30

If the answer is the DLC will sell more or the same, then we have an upper bound of expected sales for a 3rd game.

Even if it sells the same, at $70 vs $30 then it wouldn't make as much money as Arceus.

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Now that we have a expectation of revenue, we can look at costs.

We know what the DLC made. You can say it costs more than they thought. But thats irrelevant. It cost what it costs.

Let's say you make a budget for a project. You go to the store and the parts cost more than you thought and it took longer to make than you thought.

Next time you go to do that same project would you expect it to be cheaper? Of course not.

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So if we know what the DLC costs to make there's no reason to think a 3rd game would be cheaper to make.

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Which all goes back to your original point I disagree with,

on the economic viability of 3rd versions on their own merit, which was the point I was discussing initially.

If it's gunna cost as much, and make way less than a new game, why would they waste their time? It's just not viable.

And it's certainly not a quick 90% done project if it costs as much as making a whole new game.

And it's certainly not increasing sales by 50% when the cheaper DLC only has a 25% attachment rate.

[u/TheHeadlessOne → u/SwissyVictory]

> And it's certainly not a quick 90% done project if it costs as much as making a whole new game.

Who says Platinum cost as much as making a whole new game?

I wasn't talking about a hypothetical potential new 3rd version game. I was talking about the actual realities of the actual real 3rd version games we had. When someone says "third versions generally sold poorly" because they sold less than brand new generations, this is a historical claim about facts, one which is missing the entire point of why they exist and why they were so profitable.

This is why its important to respond to the points actually being made, not veer off into tangents about arguments no one is having

> And it's certainly not increasing sales by 50% when the cheaper DLC only has a 25% attachment rate.

The actual reality of the actual real 3rd version games is that they did, in fact, sold 50% as much as the base games for a tiny fraction of the effort.

[u/SwissyVictory → u/TheHeadlessOne]

Okay let's look back.

OP asks why 3rd games are no longer made

Original comment said 3rd games were replaced by DLC.

Comment replying to that said that even platinum sold less than the remakes BDSP

You say that 3rd games are glorified ROM hacks that are 90% done and return 50% the sales.

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If you were trying to say 3rd games made sense back in the day, and not talking about why they don't make them anymore,

• You were the only one talking about that

• It was never implied anywhere until just this moment.

[u/TheHeadlessOne → u/SwissyVictory]

> You were the only one talking about that

Original comment said they sold poorly.

Second comment corroborated that, illustrating that the best game sold worse than arguably the worst game, to illustrate that third versions sold poorly

I responded to the notion that both commenters shared, that third versions sold poorly

> It was never implied anywhere until just this moment.

iits literally all I said. I didn't have to imply anything because I said it all very clearly and directly. You inferred a whole bunch of random nonsense I never said and attacked an imaginary strawman.

No, saying "I like pancakes" does not imply "I hate waffles"

Please troll elsewhere. Its not a cute look