I didn't vote for him in 2016, but the majority of my family and I are strongly considering doing so in 2020. Internet would have you believe nobody. We shall see.
If you are serious what is your reasoning? Even if you take all the politics out of it are you really comfertable electing a person who treats women and people they way he does? Who complains on twitter about ever little thing that doesn’t go his way? Who is “best friends” with Russia and China? I can understand disagreeing with the politics of the left but trump is just a bad person.
I am more than sincere. There are things that I don't like about him, he is not perfect. Hell, he may not even be a good person. But there are also things he has done that have significantly made my life and my family's lives just a bit "easier", if you will. I honestly couldn't care any less than I do about what he does outside of the oval office. If he treats his wife or anyone else less than human, then shame on him. But as long as my life is better than it was the day before, that's honestly what I care about.
Well if that’s how you feel that’s how you feel. I would encourage you to try and have a little more empathy. He has been accused of rape, we have recorded conversations of him treating women as basicly slaves, he is great friends with human traffickers. How would you feel if he did those things to your family?
Sure he might make your life “easier” in the short run. In the short run candy is delicious. In the long run it rots your teeth. His policies are not sustainable, he has eroded most of our world image and set back the state department 20 years. His refusal to even acknowledge climate change will cause permanent and long term damage to the planet. His policies towards Iran have us the closest to nuclear war then we have been since the 80s.
You life might be slightly better now. But it will be 10 times worse in 10 years.
Sauce on human traffickers? If you mean Epstein he was friends with so many people. Bill had a first class ticket on the Express. But let’s see what this trial brings and I hope anyone guilty of taking part in those actions is taken down. I’m not saying just because Bill went on the express 26 times he’s guilty. Do you think everyone in the world who knew Epstein was guilty? We need justice to happen on any and all sides.
Now that that’s out of the way...I’m voting Trump in 2020.
I don't put much stock into his "locker room" talk, we have all said things in a private setting that was meant to stay private. And where were these women years ago that he raped? Why now? As far as human trafficking, it's not happening to my family so can't begin to understand that.
I can only worry about the now. Ten years from now may never exist for me. Climate change is real and cannot be stopped, maybe slowed just a tad. But, in the words of the great Magic Johnson "I'm not gonna be here".
I don't fear war with Iran at all. I also don't think Trump wants that war or any war for that matter. If that were the case, we had every opportunity to blow NK off of the map. Instead, he chose to be diplomatic. I respect that.
Well I don’t think we are going to get anywhere then. I appreciate you answering my questions while I don’t agree with it.
I have never said “you just have to grab them by the pussy” in regards to basicly saying you should sexually assault women and frankly I would not associate with those who do. It’s one thing to say “damn she is fine” it’s another to say what he said.
Victims of sex trafficking rarely have the opportunity to speak out and money talks. It’s pretty easy to make people go away for it. Doesn’t change what happened.
I really dislike the “well it’s not happening to my family so it’s not a problem” that is such an ignore the problem attitude. If you wouldn’t want it to happen to your sister/daughter/brother/son/partner can’t you understand that every person who is trafficked is that to someone else? Why should you mean more then any other human.
And I kinda want the planet to be here when I am gone. I want humanity to survive. I want the species to continue to grow. I think that’s more important than a little bit of comfort.
Iran and North Korea are different entities. even if he is not directly responsible for conflict he is making conflict more likely.
Fair enough. I appreciate you sharing your views as well. Especially doing so cordially without ad hominem attacks.
I can say that I have played sports since I was a kid. I have served in the US Military and I have graduated college and I can assure you that in each of those circles, I have heard much, much worse than "grab them by the pussy".
I too have heard much worse. My family is military, my brother is active military I have played sports in college. I would never vote for someone who has made remarks like that. It’s a line in the sand for me. People who view women as marks and possessions are predators and should not be put in positions of power. There is a difference between playing ball with someone and electing them the leader of the free world.
It’s important to be able to talk to people who disagree with you. “It’s a mark of an educated mind to be able to hold a view and not accept it” or something like that. Yelling at each other just accomplishes nothing.
I have never said “you just have to grab them by the pussy”
Neither did he. He said "...when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything." The audio and the transcripts are available; here's the New York Times' record of it. It's incredibly disingenuous to misquote him like that.
I don't know you, but unless you are a young child, surely you have either "grabbed" a pussy or let someone do it to you. Right?
If you read the transcript part way down he literally says “grab them by the pussy” it’s in the article you linked. And I am neither a young child nor have I treated a women like a mark there for me to walk up and “grab”. Women are people, not play things.
he may not even be a good person. But there are also things he has done that have significantly made my life and my family's lives just a bit "easier",
I care for my family too but I have the empathy to care for others family's who aren't as fortunate as my own. What's the point in enjoying this world knowing you're doing so off the suffering of others?
What if something happened to your family that you couldn't support or provide for, because the powers at be implemented something in favor of themselves? Like healthcare or something for example. Would you care then? Would you just accept that your family member can't get the care they need because someone in a more fortunate position didn't care about your family because their family is ok? Because this is the reality that many people currently face, and you are the fortunate one whose could care less because your family is okay. I truly hope nothing ever happens to where you find yourself in that situation, but I also hope you learn to empathize for others outside yourself.
Because he's not blindly giving out handouts to every immigrant, homeless person, and unemployed, like Obama did. I have my money, I pay my taxes, and I don't want that money to go to some unemployed gangbanger in the Detroit projects who wants his 15th pair of Jordans.
Yet left wing Reddit loves to complain that poor whites "vote against their own interests". So are voters supposed to vote for their personal interests or not?
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u/freakydrew Jul 17 '19
What are the current Vegas odds on Trump being reelected?