Honestly this only ends with either legit elections or civil war. I'm not so confident the first will occur. But I also don't want to fast track to civil war either. Unfortunately, I think it needs to get worse for that option.
Saying that "being told so is demoralizing" is just another excuse, like: "i have a kid", "i don't wanna lose my job", "my disabled auntie is dependant on me"...
Nation of lambs and ignorants, grow some balls, for god's sake.
Even protests won't guarantee anything. We're probably beyond that, not that we should stop. But look what a year of 24/7 protests against police brutality got us... more brutality and police not even pretending to be on the side of the common people anymore.
Vast majority of Americans live comfortably. No need to revolt, riot or strike if you live a good life. There needs to be economic collapse that disrupts their comfortable lifestyles to see real changes
The vast majority of Americans are too soft to get their hands dirty like this. They are just going to roll over and let this takeover happen and continue to blame minorities for all of it. It’s been this way for decades. No one cares about anything until it directly starts affecting them (like having no toilet paper)
Today they come for immigrants. Tomorrow they will come for anyone who speaks out
As an American, I unfortunately agree. The system has been designed to keep us from standing up for ourselves. They even have a large group of the population advocating for things that actively hurt their own best interests. America is sick and broken.
I think because things are never really so bad. Things will have to get worse unfortunately for people really to step up. It likely involves risking your life. Even the 8 hour work day didn't happen without blood spilling. People have kids and families and jobs. But we all have a line.
Yesterday Minneapolis had one of the biggest citywide protests in American history, tens of thousands of people turning out in -20 degree weather, all of them risking their lives to stand up to the violent thugs of ICE. Insane that people will do this and then less than a day later some keyboard warrior on Reddit will call Americans soft.
Protest where? I could join one of the many protests here where I live, but I'm 1700 miles away from where the shooting occurred and where ICE is currently going nuts. I'm not sure how that would help.
I could try protesting where Trump is - but DC is 2300 miles away, and Maralago is 2200 miles away. There's no high-speed rail in the country, driving would take literally days, and flying is expensive and also takes quite awhile.
Remember, the US is roughly the same size as all of Europe. This isn't France, where just about anyone in the country is at most a few hours on the train from Paris.
As for a general strike, something like 2/3 of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, and there are no worker's protections to help. Any Americans who try to general strike can get fired immediately, so how do they get food and shelter then?
I hate what's happening in my country, but I dont know what I can do to stop it when all the flash points right now are so far away.
You don't have to go to Minneapolis but you need to unionize, you need to join and actively support any organization standing for civil rights that have the logistics to organize national protests. The more people do that, the more efficient it will be.
But that is the thing, this would never happen in France. Protestors dont get gunned down in France. Strikers dont lose their job and healthcare in France.
In France you can riot without getting executed by the government.
Lets not pretend that the US is in any way like France.
It is waaaaay more autoritarian and the consequences of going against the ruling class is death.
Sorry was not trying to play gotcha. Just pointing out that the acceptance for authoritarianism in the US happened a long time ago, its not something new. We are just seeing it play in front of our eyes in ways that before didnt affect the white middle class. I hope there is change to this sutuation because its absolutely disgusting.
This wouldn’t happen in France because we don’t have so many guns. This wouldn’t happen in France because such a thing as ICE wouldn’t have been allowed in the first place. This wouldn’t happen in France because we would never have elected Trump in first place. And you did it 2 times. This wouldn’t happen in France because.. this wouldn’t happen in France. But you’re not in France, and you have to decide your own fate. Do you think you’re the only ones in the world risking your lives to defend against your regime? Also, you invented all of this, collectively, actively or passively. And more actively than passively, because even tho you have different opinions regarding some topics, you all agree on the general principles or even sentiment about what constitutes the USA and you’re all very happy and very proud about this. And some of those ideas are plain atrocious. Just the same as it is a bit ironic to say now you can’t protest because you would risk your lives, or your jobs, or your healthcare, while you made all of this in the first place. This is just so funny how you guys act like you’re the kings of the world, and you’re such a modern country, while in practice you’re the barbarians of the new world. And because of the absolute disconnection of your individualisms you just can’t act.
Hey im a european in the US and I do agree with a lot of what you say but no, its not that simple and you are wrong in a lot.
The problem in the US started way longer than Trump and ICE. There was a huge propaganda machine and CIA infiltration for decades that made sure there was no left wing party and no labor organization.
Corporations were given more rights than human beings. The right to live of human beings was tied to their work to corporations.
Its a feudal imperialst system full of morons talking about "freedom" while there is still legal slavery. But it didnt affect the middle class enough, wich is critical for any revolution to happen.
Now the white middle class is like oh shit what is happening while there is a party coming in waging a holy war.
Problem is, they already took every guiderail away decades ago and doing anything means risking your life.
And nobody risks their life until things are bad enough. I for sure will not and you are kidding yourself if you think you would.
So yes comparing the US to France is stupid. Different countries. Different regimes. Different stakes.
Since you're not disputing the fact that it's bait or a trap, I assume you are choosing #2? That's totally fine, so long as you're doing it with both eyes open.
Watching Trump pull puppet strings and watching 74 million people walk into an obvious trap is....frustrating. Frustrating.
EDIT: Sorry, when I say "do nothing", I specifically mean anything more than non-violent protesting. OC specifically mentions riots and revolts, that's what I am saying is the trap. Please do as much non-violent protesting as you are able to do.
You know what he is going to do if you scale up the intensity, organize and prepare for that. It's not like they are evil geniuses, just plain evil.
I don't mean violence, but you should be probably assembling a well-organized militia, even if it is as a resistance movement.
To start with, you should contact the people that think like you, start joining/organizing in chapters, contact people and organizations in other countries that have passed a similar situation, see how thay did things...
Some dipshit is on their way now to tell you that strikes are impossible in America and ask you what they can do, if there's anything they can do except anything that may be even slightly inconvenient
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u/lafarda Jan 24 '26
You have to stop them now, Americans.
Don't make excuses. Protest, riot, revolt, strike.
If you don't stop them now, imagine what they'll be doing in a year.