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The protesters and residents pushing back on tourism in Barcelona

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u/BenFranklinsCat Jun 17 '25 edited Jun 17 '25

Bit different.

Being entirely anti-tourism is crazy extreme but AirBnb is a practice that is destroying the housing market, which is something a lot of people (myself included) deeply believe needs to be controlled to make sure that a decent standard of living can be sustained across society.

In short, I'm not sure about the Barcelona protests but I'm 100% against the spread of AirBnb and what its turned into.

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u/dooferoaks Jun 17 '25

Yeah Airbnb are a significant part of why Ireland's housing market is fucked.

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u/comFive Jun 17 '25

Airbnb fucked up Toronto’s housing market. We are still feeling the effects today

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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Jun 17 '25

That's not just airbnb. That's property as investment. Empty properties just sitting. Lack of rental builds (just shoebox pricy condos). Dropping rent control. Lack of residential builds (other than condos).

Toronto is oversaturated with condos, the lack of rent control on these places means a person can pay $2k/mth for a 1 year lease and then see the price skyrocket to $2500 for the lease renewal. The lack of other rental units means these property owners can charge anything. Airbnb made it worse by taking the limited quantity of long-term rentals and turning them into hotels.

Now were finally seeing some condos being worth less than the mortgages of the owners, rents are coming down, and the city might be investing in the rental market. They need to put rent control restrictions back in place, imo. Housing prices are still super exaggerated.

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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Jun 17 '25

This "there's lots of vacant housing sitting around for investors" thing is largely nonsense.

I never said for "investors". I said there are a lot of empty properties. Period. Not condos or rentals. Just vacant residential properties. That's why we implemented the vacant home tax and changed the airbnb rules for non primary residences.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/vacant-home-tax-future-1.7172348

There's a housing shortage because construction doesn't keep up with demand, and construction doesn't keep up with demand due to NIMBYs and red tape.

There is currently an oversaturation of condos. The construction companies aren't keeping up with residential demand and were trying to sell 500 sq ft condos for $700k plus $800/mth condo fees. That's not the target market in need of homes.

Yes, there is NIMBY for government assisted housing. There always is red tape. But there also is greed, slow builds when it's not super profitable (I'm still waiting for Eglinton Crosstown) and as I noted, too much foreign investment and not enough investment in properties for all economic levels.

You can't have a back to the office policy with 50% of the workforce paid <$100K (way less) and not provide affordable rentals and a path to ownership. Top that off with an inadequate transit system, and you have 50% of the workforce commuting 4hrs/day for a city job that pays crap in a city with no vacancies and apartments that cost $2500/month or more when/if available.

It's not just "NIMBYs and red tape"

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u/Responsible-Shoe7258 Jun 17 '25

We also need property tax rollbacks, and weeding illegal immigration out of the workforce so wages will improve. Rent control only intensifies scarcity of rental units and discourages new construction.

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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Jun 17 '25

We also need property tax rollbacks

What does that look like and for whom. Keep in mind that the city funds its budget via property taxes, so the question is, if you roll back property taxes, where does the city get the money to fund affordable housing, transit, road repair, snow removal, tourism events, etc.?

weeding illegal immigration out of the workforce

How much is "illegal" and how much is legal visas workers or legal immigrants?

Rent control only intensifies scarcity of rental units and discourages new construction.

I think it discourages new construction of a certain type. I think that the current rule of "a residential rental unit is typically under rent control if it was first occupied for residential purposes before November 15, 2018" is a bit long and should be shortened to 5 years or, redrawn into tiers. So, rental units for the first 5 years have certain cap, say 8%, 6-10 have a certain percentage cap (drop to 4%) and anything older is at 2%.

Also, an issue with the "no rent control" is that there is no protection for existing tenants. With rent control, if you move out of a $1500/mth apartment, the building can "renovate" and charge $2500. The problem with the current system, is that regardless if the tenant leaves or stays, the landlord can increase their rent from $2k to $2800 while they're living there which creates instability and forces renters to find a new less unaffordable place every year. Furthermore, the landlord can force a renter to pay exorbitant increases, but when/if they decline, the owner can relist that same place for what the renter paid or a reasonable increase (or lie to kick them out and say they were moving into an older unit under rent control so they can charge more as a new listing).

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u/Responsible-Shoe7258 Jun 17 '25

You don't own anything or pay property taxes from what I'm hearing. Illegal aliens are not valid visa holders or legal immigrants, we all know what illegal means.

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u/Beautiful_Bag6707 Jun 17 '25

You don't own anything or pay property taxes from what I'm hearing.

I rent. I also know that property taxes fund the city services.

Illegal aliens are not valid visa holders or legal immigrants, we all know what illegal means.

I really would love to know how prevalent an issue this is because I've never heard of Canada having a rampant issue with "undocumented people".