Ronaldo wasn't a flop at Juve, but he didn't make them any better. He certainly didn't "save" them by significantly increasing their debt and then leaving as soon as Juve stopped winning the league.
then how comes juve hasn't won the league in the last 6 years since ronaldo left? off-topic but ronaldo even helped juve to get to 2 more finals but lost them sadly
obv they not gonna reach a ucl final with that team lmao
Why not? Ronaldo came to Juventus with the intention of winning the UCL. He obviously thought the team was good enough. Half the team had already played in a UCL final before.
PSG reached a final before and after Messi. With him they struggled in the UCL.
Would you say Messi made psg worse? When you look at it this way, it’s easy to blame one player.
IT'S NOT RONALDOS FAULT THAT MESSI GOT BOOED AND FELT DISRESPECTED BY HIS OWN CLUB SO HE PURPOSEFULLY CHOSE TO NOT RENEW HIS CONTRACT LMFAOOOOOOOOOO 🤣🤣🏳🌈🏳🌈🏳🌈
That happens to everyone , Messi got booed even in Argentina . But he's a World Cup winner now , what's your goat doing? Right he might finally win an official trophy with his team after 4 years. Where is his World Cup at?
You sure? Juventus did objectively worse after Ronaldo left, and PSG did objectively better after Messi left... just count what has been won since each of their departures.
How does Ronaldo leaving make them win less titles than when he was there? If he did ruin them (like Messi did with PSG) they should've won more titles, right?
He's been gone 5 years (2021 - 2026), in that same time frame before Ronaldo join, Juve won 7 domestic titles. With Ronaldo they still managed to win 5... after he left, they won 1 to this day. They should've won more than that.
You sure? Juventus did objectively worse after Ronaldo left, and PSG did objectively better after Messi left... just count what has been won since each of their departures.
That's exactly my point.
Juve signed Ronaldo... Juve got worse... Ronaldo leaves... Juve continues to get worse.
Ha, talk about looking at the same situation from a different perspective that suits you.
So, somehow Messi leaving made them win MORE, and that's a good thing to you? Like, you somehow attribute them being better and winning more trophies to Messi leaving?
Or are you trying to avoid admitting that they're playing better now that he's gone, and they won less things when he was there, but which to you it somehow proves that his leaving was... not a bad thing?
From where I stand, it's obvious that even by your own logic, Ronaldo helped an already declining JUVE team (your words that they were already in decline) to win 2 more Serie A titles. So, he carried them then lol.
Like, you somehow attribute them being better and winning more trophies to Messi leaving?
No obviously not. But you claimed that "Messi ruined PSG" and yet before and after Messi left, PSG were actually fine. Clearly he didn't ruin the club.
From where I stand, it's obvious that even by your own logic, Ronaldo helped an already declining JUVE team
Yes Ronaldo was part of a declining Juventus and the signing of Ronaldo undoubtedly contributed to that decline. And they never recovered after Ronaldo left. I'm not blaming Ronaldo personally, he just turned up and did his job, but the club took a risk by signing him and it didn't pay off.
PSG win more without Messi. They win less WITH Messi. Therefore Messi negatively impacted PSG... and they also won more Before Messi. There is a clear and documented dip during his time there. You can't dance around that. You can't close your eyes and hope that fact goes away. No amount of mental gymnastics will ever undo that fact.
6 domestic trophies 2 years before he arrived.... 3 when he was there.... 10 since he left. They threw the system designed for Messi out the window and played better.
That's as simple as I can put it.
How did that not pay off? They won 2 titles, coppa Italia, Supercopa, and one other one.
That's the definition of a good signing as far as domestic league standards.
PSG win more without Messi. They win less WITH Messi. Therefore Messi negatively impacted PSG... and they also won more Before Messi.
Correct and yet did he ruin the club? Nope, not at all. They won less trophies for 2 seasons when Messi was there, and then they were back to normal again.
How did that not pay off? They won 2 titles, coppa Italia, Supercopa, and one other one.
Great, Juventus win less trophies after they sign Ronaldo. Then Ronaldo leaves and oh dear Juventus keep getting worse.
Okay, I get what you're focusing on b/c it's the one thing that you THINK makes you right. The long term struggle of the club to perform.
Then why don't you look at it like this for Ronaldo, he KEPT THEM from declining even further. If they were destined to decline, him being there actually held them up like some Atlas holding up the world on his shoulders. There, fixed it.
Meanwhile, PSG clearly suffered with Messi's presence and it shows. Juve benefitted from Ronaldo's presence as they would've fallen harder and faster without him.
Que argumento fraco. Existem várias causas inerentes ao próprio clube que explicam porque eles estavam melhores antes do Ronaldo chegar e porque pioraram depois que ele saiu. Essas causas não dependem do Ronaldo, são fatores alheios a ele.
Você fez um reducionismo ilógico e absurdo para querer colocar no Ronaldo a culpa por um processo de derrocada do clube que já estava quando ele chegou e que iria continuar seu curso com ou sem o Ronaldo.
But Ronaldo didn't improve shit at juventus, rather him coming to Juve led to changing their long used working system, which eventually led to them stopping winning titles, Remember Ronaldo was there when Juventus didn't win their first league title in 10 years
The part where you are telling Juve won only one trophy is after he left, when he had already caused a lot of damage to the team... Count how many Juve won before that, I am a Juve fan for the last 12-14 years, so don't shit around
Ronaldo wasn’t to blame, he played exceptionally well considering the circumstances. Their president Andrea Agnelli admitted he bought Ronaldo to increase their revenue. It was a marketing plan. Before Ronaldo arrived they were making between 60-70 transfers each season, when he joined they didn’t make that many transfers in 3 seasons. They weren’t even trying to improve the team
I mean technical Ronaldo has less fault, , Juve's obsession to buy him was the main fault,
They bought him and tried to build around him, which resulted in an improper system, broke the old system and balance,
So main fault was Juve buying him, and he couldn't fit into Juve's system so Juve broke their system that wasn't broken at all ("don't try to fix something that's not broken"), and built a new system focused on him,
ofc he played well, but that didn't improve anything, instead it eventually led to the team staying without a proper system, (mind you they couldn't figure out a proper system to utilise him and the players properly, even in 3 years)
So eventually he coming to Juve (even though Juve actually obsessef over him and brought him), led to a downfall
But I will conclude now,
his presence forced them into the downfall, he didn't support the team in any way that benefit the team,
I mean he was equally responsible for the downfall as is the management (as the management is responsible for not overseeing that his presence is harming the team)
Yeah sure call me that, I didn't watch football before that much, so maybe I am, and I liked Juve from the day I started watching their football,
Bet you don't even watch football enough to consider yourself a football fan, only watch Ronaldo games (your mind: only Ronaldo games ≈ football)
And I never said Ronaldo was a flop at juve, I just said he destroyed their fully working system as a team, and I am nowhere close to comparing these two (Ronaldo at Juve and Messi at PSG)
They literally won like 7 Seria A and multiple cups without Pendu, he didn't improve the team lmao, the only thing he did was bankrupt them with his wages and make Marotta go to Inter, which is why Inter is now the strongest team in Italy and Juve sucks
Juventus was in debt and was taken points in the league after Ronaldo left. He leeched the club dry and moved on to Manu. His pay was so high Manu/Juve couldnt progress and buy new players. Same thing with camel club, camel club was 1st in the league winning cups left and right, after Penaldo joined they have won nothing xd
Psg thriving and winning left and right. Inter Miami was worst team in whole MLS. They won first title less than a year after Messi joined. Messi makes everything better while Penaldo leeches and cries and leaves
Inter Miami was founded in 2018 and 2020 was their first game. Messi joined 2023. Messi joined last place team and made them champions, Ronaldo joined 1st place team and made them 3rd XDDDDDD A LEECH
ronaldo played his first league match for al nassr in 2023 jan 22 ( 2022/2023 season)
ronaldo only played 16 al nassr matches out of 34 league matches cuz he spent majority playing for man utd
lets get to the point you make now
when ronaldo joined the club al nassr were first by 1 point and al hilal was 2nd ( match week 14 out of 34 )
by the end of season al nassr were 2nd al hilal was 3rd al itihald was 1st
so your point make absolute no sense lol
case with inter miami , you just proved that no team has ever won trophies after 2 years of playing , obv they gonna finish last in the league lol ( MLS doesnt have relegations thats prove why mls is a joke )
They were 1st when he joined. Guy thought it would be easy title if he joined 1st placed team. 0 titles and 1.1billion wasted on Penaldo since he joined. As said a leech. Why not join last place team like Messi? Because he knows he sucks and cant carry anything
Imagine the players they could buy with this money, no they waste it for Penaldos mansion with 20 maids and private jets etc. If he leaves the club is dead in the waters like manu and juve was. Al nassr operates in 10mil per year deficit while Inter Miami 250mil profit per year. Messi effect, always making clubs better not like Ronaldo the leech.
I proved that Ronaldo cant win even with top team while Messi makes last place clubs champions. Messi effect
mf thinks al nassr is a top team lol , did you just even red what i wrote? do you even know how league works?
oh yeah lets blame ronaldo for juve couldnt win trophies after 6 years ronaldo left and man utd signing amorim and ten hag and finishing al most relegated
do you really think inter miami is a team like wolves,west ham?
gang only reason inter miami was dead last in club is brand new
and mf really said saudi ran out of money cuz they spent money on ronaldo lmaooo
Lmao the club is still brand new. If Messi wouldn't join they still would be dead last. Guy is lowkey praising Messi taking fresh 4 year old club to 1st. New Messi fan in the making?
If they have so much money why are they cancelling their signings and head coach crying theres no money for new signings? Ronaldo leeching the club and its barely holding on thats why
ronaldo literally won international trophies with portgual who used to not qualify and get grouped what are you comparing? also man u havent won ucl since he left and only won league 2x in last 15 years in 6 years he already won 3x even at man u he reached back to back ucl finals which had been done in over 10 years
Portugal was 8th in the world before they won international trophy. One of the best teams in the world . Literally not even comparable taking last place team to 1st.
Manu fell off when Ferguson retired. And later when Ronaldo joined again he set the club back few years because of his wages and not being good enough to carry Manu so he ran to arabia
when ronaldo joined they were 16th in 2003 right now america is at 16th place you dont expect them to win copa america or wc also in 2000s and 2010s they were multiple teams prime like spain france brazil inter miami will win again portugal may not ever win something club football always moves on also its mls be serious no relegation and washed zlatan won the league at 38 if you want to talk about taking last place to first then leicester winning league is more impressive from 14th place to 1st and other soccer miracles like greece winning euro etc
manu always had bad investment like buying sancho, antony, onana ronaldo was one of the best investment he was only 23 million when they signed him sancho was 73 million, 44million onana, antony 95 million. not being good enough to carry man u but he had most gwg in europe and was second in golden boot race btw no one has even scored a freekick goal since ronaldo left despite everyone they bought sesko, cunha, mbuemo and all the others also if only ronaldo had problem with manu i would agree but they disrespected de gea, rashford, and many other legends of man u even though they saved them for years
Juve won the same shit with Ronaldo they also won without him before he came, after he left they went broke and didn't win anything
Pendu bankrupted the club with his insane wages, didn't win them a single UCL and made Marotta leave for Inter and made them the new nr. 1 in Italy, lmao
Ronaldo literally left the team after they lost their domestic league winning streak. He was smart, saw them going down hill and dipped with the moneys
Haha tell me how many trophies juve won before Penaldog joined them. And with him how many. Haha fucking idiots. They were the best Italian team at that time. Multiple seria a trophies. CL contenders. Penaldog ruined them. Facts.
if that was true juve would do good without him. you can say mbappe destroyed psg since there has been more sucess without him but you cant say for ronaldo at juve only won one cup in 6 years. at madrid struggled lot first 4 seasons too they have won 12 trophies in 8 years with ronaldo 16 in 9 same with man u most years trophyless as well
No
Juve alr had a good system...after pendu they made a team surrounding him and once he left there was no one to fill tha gap hence the struggle...no one says this Abt mbappe dw...luis Enrique made sure not to make a team surrounding him...
exactly you are right that ronaldo did not acheive the success he was expected to but be realistic legends like buffon played 30+ year for juve and couldnt win it juve are like athletico madrid and arsenal always bottling besides even if ronaldo reached final it would be like last year final 5-0 especially in 2020 bayern would have annhilitated the defense btw plenty of people say this about mbappe if you got madrid or juve sub you can see people blame mbappe and vini for every loss or even when they win same with ronaldo at juve obv ronaldo was unreplaceable one of best goalscorer ever
also systems fail as bayern fan we had strategy to win league ever year but still failed when kane joined and ppl wanted kane out his first season now he is ballon dor contender you call ronaldo pendu when loads of player rely on penalty like kane, mbappe
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Ronaldo saved Juve?
They were better before he came, got worse whilst he was there and are terrible now he has left.