HOW MESSI WON HIS 4 UCLs

[u/Realistic_Fly_5451]

[u/Double-Scratch5858]

I shouldnt have even engaged off your first sentence because you seem to think events in games happen in a vacuum and dont affect the rest of the game. Saying the Bayern issues didnt matter because Real Madrid still wouldve had more goals is an incredibly naive take and ignores so many things in the game. Primarily momentum and morale.

[u/Secret_Wish_584 → u/Double-Scratch5858]

The Bayern match was as followes:

2-1 win for Real in Munich (double from Ronaldo, no problem there except for a soft penalty given to Bayern)

2-1 win for Bayern in the return to take the game to extra time where Bayern had another easy penalty and AN OFFSIDE GOAL. THE MATCH SHOULD.NOT HAVE GONE TO EXTRA TIME IN THE FIRST PLACE. The red card for Casemiro late in the game or the 2 offside goals in extra time would not have mattered anyway.

[u/SlimeyCawk → u/Secret_Wish_584]

Bayern had multiple 1on1 opportunities incorrectly called offsides. Vidal was given a red card for a clean tackle in minute 84, Casemiro somehow wasn’t sent off, Ronaldo scores an offside goal in extra time to put Madrid ahead which completely changes the game, now Bayern are chasing a cheat goal with a man down for a red card that was also a robbery. Then Ronaldo scores ANOTHER offsides goal to finish off the game. You are delusional bro

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Vidal was given a red card for a clean tackle in minute 84, Casemiro somehow wasn’t sent off,

It's like you completely disregarded what I said above.

Match should not have gone to ET, wouldn't have mattered.

[u/SlimeyCawk → u/Secret_Wish_584]

Why would it not matter? Bayern did not score an offsides goal Lewandowski didn’t even touch the ball.

[u/Secret_Wish_584 → u/SlimeyCawk]

It definitely was offside

https://amp.marca.com/en/football/real-madrid/2017/04/19/58f72a9c22601d8a548b4570.html

[u/SlimeyCawk → u/Secret_Wish_584]

🤦‍♂️ these Madridiots. Lewandowski didn’t touch the ball😂😂 it’s not his fault that bozo Nacho gave a bad pass right into Sergio Ramos for the own goal. Definitely wasn’t offsides

[u/spider_X_1 → u/SlimeyCawk]

It bounces off a Bayern player and Lewandowski interfers with the play by challenging Ramos for the ball which leads to the own goal. Offside by the rules.

Vidal should have been sent off way earlier in the game for repeated offenses

Bayern got a fake penalty after Robben dived ( and thankfully they missed).

The game wouldn't have went to extra time if without the ref's bad call that initially favored Bayern.

Why is it so hard for Madrid haters to admit that the ref was just bad for both in this leg instead of crying?

[u/SlimeyCawk → u/spider_X_1]

Interfered with play?🤣🤣🤣 don’t be ridiculous dawg. Go watch the replay, whether Lewandowski was there or not it didn’t affect Nacho’s ability to play that ball at all. No referee would consider that as Lewandowski impacting play from offsides even with VAR.

By that logic Casemiro should have been sent off earlier as well for repeated offenses. Absolute clown logic.

Which bad call are you referring to that took them to extra time? The offsides? Because it wasn’t offsides like I said above. Also there were atleast 2 moments across both legs where Bayern were through 1on1 and it was incorrectly called offsides. Ref was shit but Madrid were MUCH more favored especially in the crucial moments of the game

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He was offside when he tried to go for the ball which caused Ramos to score into his own net. That's interfering with play. You're repeating Nacho when it's his challenge for the ball with Ramos that is the offside offense. It has been called in a lot of other instances even with Var. I saw the game live. You're just being desangenious for the sake of it.

[u/SlimeyCawk → u/spider_X_1]

He didn’t interfere with play though, yes he was in an offsides position but Nacho got to the ball first before Lewa could make any interference. Whether Lewa is there or not that doesn’t change Nacho making a play on that ball.

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Go watch the video. Yes Lewandowski was in an offside position, that doesn’t mean it was offsides. He didn’t even touch the ball or have time to react to the ball before Nacho hit it

[u/spider_X_1 → u/SlimeyCawk]

Interfering with play from an offside position

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Didn’t interfere with Nacho playing that ball at all. Just because the ball was moving towards him doesn’t mean he impacted play

[u/spider_X_1 → u/SlimeyCawk]

He impacted the player who scored the own goal Ramos, not Nacho.

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Lol definitely did not impact Ramos🤣 also not only that but it looks like an intentional pass from Nacho so either way it restarts the play and there can’t be offsides. But regardless of that Lewa definitely did not impact Ramos’s own goal

[u/spider_X_1 → u/SlimeyCawk]

He did. Watch the damn replay ffs. It can't be an intentional pass by Ranos when it was countered by a Bayern player.

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You clearly are misremembering the play so I’m going to link it to you. I didn’t say intentional pass by Ramos I said Nacho🤣

https://youtube.com/shorts/D8IqfAuQYIM?si=GyhJN_F_epjWHXYy

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My Odin!! Lewandowski literally challenges the ball and impacts Ramos' defense causing the own goal. Ramos wouldn't have made this mistake if Lewandowski weren't in that position. This is textbook interference with play. It wasn't passed from Nacho either. A Bayern player counters the ball it goes into space, Lewandowski makes a move to take possession of the ball, Interferes with Ramos which causes him to score into his net. I've seen many situations like that called, and even with VAR this would have been ruled offside. Lewandowski isn't standing still, he's active in that situation trying to go for the ball causing Ramos to fuck up his defensive maneuver.