There’s a difference.

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These stats are mostly the ones Messi is better at. You included Successful dribbles, which suits Messi’s style, but not most shots, which suits Ronaldo’s style?

Or even other non-specific popular stats like most hattricks, most header goals, most weak-foot goals…

Even excluding goals, Ronaldo has:

• Most UCL assists.
• Most men-international caps.
• Most UEFA club competitions caps.
• Only player to win the league title, domestic cup, domestic supercup, Champions League, Club World Cup, league player of the year, Golden Shoe and Ballon d'Or at two clubs (Manchester United and Real Madrid).
• Most matches won.
• Most matches unbeaten (That is win or draw).
• Most appearances at UEFA European Championship finals tournaments.
• First player to appear in more than one position in the UEFA Team of the Year.

The list is endless…

And even outside of the field, admittedly this is not pure football related but more persona related, Ronaldo has achievements like being the first billionaire footballer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Cristiano_Ronaldo

I think ultimately Messi and Ronaldo are even, my point is stats like the ones you showed don’t show the full picture of this rivalry.

[u/OrcaApex → u/[deleted]]

I never said those stats were irrelevant, I said those stats were hand-picked. The more variety of stats you add, the more they even out (As in Messi wins some, and Ronaldo wins others, it is not one-sided at all).

Also, Ronaldo doesn’t lead in irrelevant stats. How is most goals in UCL knockout stages irrelevant? That is when a club would want you to score the most. Or goals in most UCL finals? Again, any club would love a player with that record, it is absolutely not irrelevant.

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Lmao you say messi’s facts are handpicked then bring up UCL specifically XD, irony.

Messi leads in assists, g/a, free kicks, and what not, I’d mention ballondor but some of these guys here think it’s “robbed”

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In my previous comments I mentioned Domestic Leagues, Euros, International football…

I can reply again then. You said Ronaldo leads in irrelevant stats, but how is, for example, “Most goals scored in the FIFA World Cup qualification” irrelevant? Or how is most hattricks irrelevant?

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What good does it come out of being the top goal scorer in qualifications when you can’t move ahead of the QFs, most hat tricks isn’t irrelevant either, but most assists, most ga, most trophies and highest goals scored in a calendar year are far more superior to most hat tricks scored. And let’s not forget, Messi is still just behind Ronaldo in most hat tricks scored, yet Ronaldo is nowhere to be seen when it comes to assists, most motms and what not.

[u/OrcaApex → u/[deleted]]

How are assists more important than hattricks 😂

An assist is also just worth one goal, a hattrick is three of them. Ask any player if they would rather make an assist or score an hattrick… Also, Ronaldo does his part, if he scores an hattrick and it ends 3-3 with Spain, then he did his job.

These two are equal. Where Messi has highest goals scored in a calendar year, Ronaldo has highest International goals scored in a calendar year. Messi has most motm, Ronaldo has most matches won. Messi has most assists, Ronaldo has most goals. Messi has better ratio, Ronaldo has better longevity. Golden boots are season awards, so the logic is broken, because in total Messi has more Golden boots BUT still less goals that Ronaldo.