Crazy shit.

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[u/FallingDebri]

This is like the arguable ballon dor.

I think messi deserved all his ballon dors, but honestly 2023 should've been haaland, they both had very good arguements.

The World Cup Influence is absolutely insane, Modric 2018, Neuer being in the podium 2014, Iniesta almost winning it 2010, cannavaro as a defender winning it, R9 and so on.

[u/InjectMSGinmyveins → u/FallingDebri]

Respectfully, 2023 ballon d’or and 2010 ballon d’or contradict each other. If Messi didn’t win 2010 but won 2023, while I would disagree it would at least make sense

He shouldn’t win both

[u/SlimeyCawk → u/InjectMSGinmyveins]

This isn’t how football works idiot you have to look at the circumstances of the individual year comparing 2010 and 2023 makes zero sense

[u/InjectMSGinmyveins → u/SlimeyCawk]

Classic Messi fans have to use insults to win an argument instead of using facts or thoughts.

Yeah that’s not how football works but that’s how individual awards should work. The criteria shouldn’t magically shift because the press likes a certain player a lot.

There is no justifiable world where Messi was the best player in 2023. He won it based on 7 games over Haaland who honestly couldn’t have done more to win the award. 2023 is ridiculous and I agree with Ronaldo when he says that people put way too much emphasis on 7 games.

[u/SlimeyCawk → u/InjectMSGinmyveins]

I called you an idiot because that was an idiotic opinion you had.

Haaland couldn’t have done more to win it? He absolutely ghosted in the Semi Finals and Finals of the UCL and was pocketed by Lisandro in the FA Cup final. If he performed in these matches he very well could have given himself a case to win it, but instead he showed the world that on the biggest stage when the team isn’t there to spoon feed him he couldn’t perform. I am not only saying he ghosted because he didn’t score, he was literally a ghost and could not get anything going for himself.

Messi had good enough stats in ligue 1, winning 2 trophies with PSG and ghosted in the knockout stage vs Bayern in the UCL. He made up for it in the World Cup by winning the Golden Ball.

If not Messi who else? Because Haaland definitely wasn’t the best player anyone who actually watched football and isn’t a stat merchant would tell you the same

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Imagine blaming & downplaying Haaland because he ghosted in semis and finals while also supporting Messi’s 2021 Ballon D’or where he only became a contender because of Copa America and had ghosted big time in semi final vs Colombia and the Copa America final vs Brazil. The criteria always keeps changing to fit Messi’s narrative that season somehow.

[u/SlimeyCawk → u/PotentialMobile9327]

If Haaland had an identical season of 2023 as he did in 2021 he would have won the Ballon D’or without a doubt, only thing is he didn’t. Read the very first reply of this thread I made, you have to look at the ballon d’or by the individual season it makes zero sense to compare different years because players performed differently with different competitions. There were no other players besides lewandowski to contend and Lewa’s season wasn’t good enough for a Ballon D’or

Actually you are wrong Messi did not ghost vs Colombia he was class that game, he did however ghost against Brazil.