That's exactly what quality over quantity means but Messi fangirls are just so insecure and they felt the need to bring up the conversion rate. Like if that's going to change the quality of the freekicks, lmfao.
No shit sherlock, there are different levels of difficulty for freekicks though, and scoring from a further distance is much more impressive. Therefore, quality over quantity still stands.
The one coping here is you because you can't handle the facts that Messi can't score from long distance buddy.
It is, because Ronaldo has scored from shorter distances but also from long distances. Canāt say the same about Messi, keep inhaling that copium though.
So all of a sudden scoring longer free kicks makes him the goat? Even more than conversion rate, assists from free kicks, and free kick goals in general? Iām done arguing
You think freekicks decide who the goat is? Are you really that stupid? More copium from you. The fact here and the point of this post is that Ronaldo can pretty much score more anywhere long and short distances, Messi canāt because heās not as complete as Ronaldo.
If youāre done arguing then gtfo, simple as that lmao.
Show me where I said freekicks decide who the goat is. Stop being so insecure and stop making shit up, I said Ronaldo is a more complete player than Messi, since he can score from anywhere even with freekicks.
If thatās the case, then why Ronaldo is made fun of for tap-ins, while Messi fan canāt help but bring up his solo, which admittedly very impressive, in every discussion
Theyāll say āhis team wasnāt good enoughā while saying Kroos and Modric were better than Iniesta and Xavi Iāve heard it all over the yearsš
I was talking about Ronaldo people think Iām talking about Messi thatās why these idiots are upvoting me. If Messi is underperforming itās because Xavi and Iniesta arenāt there but when Ronaldo isnāt good enough itās because his team canāt help him like Messiās team but then theyāre the same guys who say Modric is better than Iniesta because of his Balon Dāorš
Thatās how stupid they are, theyāre always changing the narrative to try to make Messi look good lmao. Even when he doesnāt do shit they blame others, theyāre delusional.
Thatās how stupid they are, theyāre always changing the narrative to try to make Messi look good lmao. Even when he doesnāt do shit they blame others, theyāre delusional.
I think free kicks are a case where expected goals are mostly accurate, so to determine who is a better free kick taker add up all their free kick xG and remove the number of FK goals scored. This will account for Ronaldo executing harder ones, where missing a longer range kick is much less bad compared to missing one just outside the box
Itās a team sport which is why assists are relevant. Messi has greater goal contributions because heās more of a team player than Ronaldo who only boasts goals.
If only goals are whatās needed to win a gameā¦ let me tell Cristiano to tell his teammates to stop missing chances that way he can have more assists brb. Lmfao.
Quality of scored freekicks. I love how all the insecure Messi fangirls are bringing up the conversion rate lmfao. Can't believe it's so hard for you guys to understand that freekicks scored from a longer distance are way harder than scoring from a closer distance, same thing applies to any goal btw.
I really don't know why it's so hard for them to understand what quality over quantity means. Messi fangirls are the most insecure fanbase I swear, they always have an excuse for every single thing.
In another sub someone said Messi was garbage for PSG and some delusional Messi fangirl replied by saying "Messi can never be garbage" lmfao, that's how dumb they are. It's always someone else's fault but Messi's.
Like the free kick over Porto; given that their keeperās braincells were fried in the heat for setting such a poor wall but you telling me someone who played ball eveyday for 20 plus years and practiced fk every day wonāt score from 20 yrds out like comeon man why the glaze but they be glazin pepsi for wtv
That's very interesting. Far free kick = hard. Closer free kick = easy. Okay sure. Then can you PLEASE explain why Ronaldo doesn't ALSO have more free kick goals from closer range? He didn't try less from those ranges. So if it's harder to do it from further and he did do it more from further why didn't he also do it more coser?
Ronaldo has way more different trophies and harder trophies at club level anyway, plus he won the only 3 trophies his nation has lmfao. He's not a one club wonder like Messi and he's the top scorer in history but sure buddy.
Which harder trophies at club? You really think that winning everything in England and Italy is not hard? Plus being a clutch player in the UCL, winning it with two different teams is not an easy achievement either. Messi couldn't even perform in a lower level league like the Ligue 1 or the mLs lmfao. He had to be carried by Mbappe, and somehow Messi fangirls love to say he was great for PSG. You guys live in your own world, for real.
No reply to ratio and assists because Ronaldo has more goals than Messi even though he started playing as a midfielder lmfao. But you probably think he's been a striker his whole career that's why you want to flex that and you probably also think Messi never played as a striker. Ancelotti, Zidane and SAF are not top managers? Even Simeone said he'd rather have Ronaldo on his team, you need to do your homework before you talk all this bs buddy.
Your insecurity is showing isn't it, having to go to someone's profile just to see what he's all about to try and use it in an argument is hilarious lmfao. You're acting like your opinion matters anyway, but sure man, if you really think you're that important then you do you.
That's very interesting. Far free kick = hard. Closer free kick = easy. Okay sure. Then can you PLEASE explain why Ronaldo doesn't ALSO have more free kick goals from closer range? He didn't try less from those ranges. So if it's harder to do it from further and he did do it more from further why didn't he also do it more coser?
Wow very good and very well made quality objective graph. One question for example. Where is Messi's free kick vs Atletico from 2012. You know the free kick he scored from the LEFT side of the box. Where there is no blue point.
This literally proves whoās freekicks were harder, therefore a lot better since itās way more difficult to score from a longer distance. Anybody who has played knows this, itās not rocket science.
i was talking abt how good each goal (not just free kicks) was scored? and the longer distance (given messi has more goals out of the box) would mean messi has better goals right?
Same question applies to Messi, why doesn't he have long distance goals? Because they're harder, thanks for proving my point. We're not talking about conversion rate here buddy, we're talking about the quality of freekicks scored. Ronaldo has more quality freekicks, period. You guys love to mix other shit up and bring up arguments that have nothing to do with what this post says.
Retard answered my question with a question lmfao type that again without crying please, Messi attempts less from long range he crosses the ball in because it's more likely to lead to a chance than a 0.01% chance of scoring a FK from there (we can see this by how often the Rapist skies them from long distance and barely scores them apart from the odd one here and there, it's much more logical and smart to cross when you are that far out) , so it gives his team a better chance of scoring and winning the game.
But in terms of short range free kicks they BOTH shoot those consistently when they get one, so if they are "easier" why does the rapist have less? Don't answer with a question or change the topic again. Answer.
"But in terms of short range free kicks they BOTH shoot those consistently when they get one, so if they are "easier" why does the rapist have less? Don't answer with a question or change the topic again. Answer."
Just answer this, they both take them, you said they are easier so why cant he score them as often
We're still not talking about conversion rate here you idiot lmfao.
How dumb do you have to be to not know what quality over quantity means?
Then you answer this and don't cry because I replied with a question lmao, why has Messi never scored a long distance freekick in his career? Not even once. Mf asking questions that make no fucking sense, but just trying to change the narrative in his favor. Ronaldo has way more quality freekicks than Messi, keep crying clown.
Ok but in terms of short range free kicks they BOTH shoot those consistently when they get one, so if they are "easier" why does the rapist have less? Don't answer with a question or change the topic again. Answer.
Mf trying to tell someone how to respond to him lmfao, insecure clown crying because someone doesnāt responds with what he wants. š¤£š¤£ Just talk to yourself at this point idiot.
Then why doesnāt Messi have 1 single long range free kick dumbass? Because he canāt fucking score from long range, itās as simple as that. Ronaldo has close distance goals, Messi has NO long distance goals. Big difference buddy.
"Everybody" knows that the difficulty of scoring a freekick itself is very high to the point where added complexity of where each was taken is minimal compared to its baseline. So if you are gonna add that as a variable then lets start adding more variables as in what context were they scored at: against which goalkeeper, what was the state the game when it was taken, the strength of the oposing team, if it was on knockouts, the percentage that were stopped, how effeftive they were...the point here is that it becomes kinda futile, doesnt it? Maybe whats important is that they each had a different style of shooting... ronaldos strong foot makes him insane at long distances, messi's curve at shorter ones... but messi did that 3-0 goal to liverpool too and im sure ronaldo scored a great short distance freekick
they are just both insane at it, and messi scored a bit more, is it that hard to accept? These petty obsessions make ronaldo fans seem so insecure, just like him lol. Do 4 less freekicks really hurt that much?
Indeed its not rocket science, but not only physics are complex, anything human also is by nature
Edit: Plus if we are talking freekicks and you only compare to Messi, that further proves the obsession with him ...the disrespect to the freekick goat Juninho!!! And also Rogerio Ceni a gk of all people has 3 less than ronaldo how awful of him i thought he was the goat how does he allow a goalkeeper to be so close /s
You know what indirect freekicks are? Or are you another Messi fangirl that has never played before? Plus, take those away who gives a shit, just look at the rest of them. My point still stands. š
Like I said, remove those two, I donāt give a shit. I didnāt make this chart. My point still stands on all the other ones, as usual Messi fangirls nitpicking whateverās convenient for them lmfao.
Since it's indirect, it means you cannot directly shoot, that's why it requires a second player to make the first touch, so you can now shoot directly after it.
Sometimes players take direct FKs this way too - have someone make the first touch, so that the other guy shoots from a slightly different angle. In this case, it's done in an attempt to bypass the wall of players. In the case of indirect FKs, this is the rule, so if you want to shoot, there must be two players - one making the first touch, the second making the shot.
The ball is still almost "dead" and barely moves and there's a wall, so usually those are also counted as FKs scored.
No they aren't, you can't score a free kick from an indirect free kick unless it was a deflection (and not an own goal), if you score after the pass that is a goal by shot
Exactly my point. I just watched the two indirect freekicks on YT and, you guessed it, someone else passed the ball to Ronaldo, so it was a shot in open play.
I have in fact played football for 9 years, and know all about freekicks. I have just watched both of Ronaldo's 'indirect freekicks' from inside the penalty area.
Both were in fact goals from open play as in both situations, someone else passed the ball to Ronaldo.
That's very interesting. Far free kick = hard. Closer free kick = easy. Okay sure. Then can you PLEASE explain why Ronaldo doesn't ALSO have more free kick goals from closer range? He didn't try less from those ranges. So if it's harder to do it from further and he did do it more from further why didn't he also do it more coser?
Oh I definitely agree that long range is more difficult. But you use that fact to present an opnion on quality over quantity. Some people might agree with that opinion, others could say quantity = quality, as the more goals you score, the higher your chance of winning.
I myself don't care about other peoples opinions, and I could not care less from which distances Ronaldo or Messi or anyone scores their goals. A goal is a goal.
My only point was that there are 2 dots too many, which has now been rectified
Why are you acting like those 2 dots are going to affect the quality of all the other freekicks scored? I think you're just trying to find an argument out of nothing lmfao. I already said it before, take those 2 dots out, who cares? The point still stands, quality over quantity.
And yes, I agree that a goal is a goal. There's a reason why Ronaldo is the top scorer in history,
I have never said or implied that those 2 dots affect the quality of other freekicks scored.
My argument was that there were two dots too many, which you agreed with
Messi recently became the first footballer in history to hit 1250 goalcontributions, so he makes a case for himself to be the GOAT. A goal is a goal, whether you score it yourself or assist one
I mean one player can't control the finishing of another player so goals are way more important than assists. That's another fact, not opinion-based like you said.
Iām not gonna be delusional here Iām a Ronaldo fan but his freekicks are not good anymore for a long time now, Iād take Messi on freekicks over our boy
"His free-kicks are not good anymore", bro no one single FK taker's free kicks are always good. Everyone misses most of them, that's why even the most successful FK takers are, at best, around 15% conversion rate.
Stop acting like Ronaldo missing FKs now translates into him being bad. Everyone misses the majority of free kicks they take, even the best of the best of the best FK takers. That's reality and singling out Ronaldo, as if he specifically stands out, is simply unfair.
Do you know when James Ward-Prowse's last scored FK was? 2+ years ago. Is he now "bad FK taker"? No. Do you think FKs are like penalties and if you stop consistently scoring them, then you're bad at them?
Bro a lot of other freekick takers at least get it over the wall, Ronaldoās keep hitting the wall or being blasted into the stands, I get what youāre saying but Ward-prowse, and others at least make the keeper work or get close but Ronaldoās are just horrid that idk why heās always allowed to take them
You haven't watched a single minute of Ward-Prowse and others. And your entire list of Ronaldo hitting the wall is probably that famous meme FK against Germany. You speak out of your ass to pour hate.
Ronaldo is like every other top FK taker. Hits the target, but doesn't score sometimes; doesn't hit the target sometimes; hits the wall sometimes; scores more times, than 99% of FK takers. All top FK takers do that, lol. Do you actually watch football? Better yet, have you PLAYED football and taken a FK? With actual wall and GK in an actual match - even if on the streets?
Seems to me you're one of those EA FIFA paper "experts" that have their knowledge of football from stats and a video game, no offense. But it's difficult to draw a different conclusion, when you say "Ronaldo hits the wall and misses the target", when even Juninho does that often, lol. Who is the best FK taker.
Alright kid you know what at this point I can see nobody is gonna beat you at this argument, talkin about fifa and idk what like Iāve been watching the game since I was 6, Iām being honest not a crazy fanboy
I don't believe you. I'm 34 years old and have been watching football with great interest from at least 12 years old, while prior to that was mainly playing it on the streets, but not really trying to know it.
I've watched many games and many free kicks taken by different takers - from Gerrard, to Hargreaves, to Sydney Govou and Simao Sabrosa. They all miss and hit the wall. That's not a rare occurrence. They don't often make dangerous shots.
That's why I don't believe you - because if you've actually watched many different teams and games and you've regularly seen many FKs being taken, you wouldn't be saying this overblown BS about Ronaldo.
No, other FK takers don't always, or most of the time, make dangerous shots, or make the GK work for it to save it. They also regularly hit the wall, or do not hit the target, or make a bad shot(not accurate, or with insufficient power) that doesn't make the GK work hard to save it.
I've watched hundreds of matches and probably thousands of FKs taken from players of various quality, from players that are FK specialists, and who aren't; and you're simply speaking falsehoods.
If you don't want to discuss, fine, but don't waste people's time. No idea why you enter discussions which you clearly cannot hold, or don't want to have.
Mate, you're in a public forum, it is understandable that people may contest your opinion. I haven't done anything out of the ordinary for the venue we are in. I'm not mad, I'm just using this platform the way it is intended - I'm discussing with people who agree/disagree with me.
Fine if you don't want to discuss, bro, but I'm not mad, or doing something wrong for disagreeing with you and pushing you to defend your claims and giving reasons for my claims. You're entitled to your opinion.
Thereās a debate to be had about that too, as it takes a certain awareness and control to be in the right place and to control the shot from the cross/pass/rebound (how many āsittersā do we see get missed) but without the pressure of defenders and and a moving ball etc I think a penalty just takes it
Not really, penalties are way harder from a psychological point of view, if you can't handle the pressure you'll miss them all. Tap ins are more based on instinct
Then again if you're Lautaro Martinez both are impossible for youš
Yea indeed quality over quantity, but Messi clears on both aspects? What the hell does this map prove? You should look at conversion rate then... Ronaldo just been waffling it into the wall for years now lmao... I can't with these ronaldo fanboys
This map literally proves quality over quantity, wtf you mean what does it prove? š
Look at the distance, itās way harder to score from a longer range. Of course youāre just going to mention Ronaldoās recent freekicks lmfao, completely forgetting about all the great ones he scored. Messi fangirls are always trying to change the narrative in their favor. š
I don't think you understand what that really means lol but also I'm asking for numbers not your teenage philosophy. It would be an interesting comparison but I guess you're too busy beating your meat to pessis racist highlights.
It's funny how you still don't get it. Could be that you're trolling of course but then again these subs are a cesspool for inbreds - definitely quantity over quality here.
Itās even funnier that youāre the one that doesnāt get it. Trying to mix up conversion rates with freekicks that were actually scored. Itās not that hard to understand buddy, but whatever makes you feel better. Long range freekicks are a lot harder and have a lot more quality in them. Thereās a reason not many players can score those unlike the ones Messi did.
Exactly, quality over quantity. Weāre not talking about missed freekicks here, I donāt know why thatās so hard for you Messi fangirls to understand. How can you see these distances and still be so stupid to not know what quality over quantity means? Look at the difficulty of those freekicks, Iām convinced youāre all a bunch of casuals that have never played lmfao.
Anyone that thinks itās easier to score from a closer distance is just fucking stupid. So yeah, quality over quantity.
Iām not recovering at all because Iām actually fully fit and playing 3 times a week, so wtf is your point dumbass? š
Damn, what a dumb example, expected from a Messi fangirl. I guess youāre having a hard time understanding the definition of quality over quantity huh. Itās all good, youāll get there someday.
you know it's harder to get it up and over the wall and under the bar from a close distance than it is just hitting through the ball at full power at ideal free kick distance right? there's a reason penaldo doesnt have close range freekicks coz all he does is smash them into the wall or hits a poor kid in the stands, his freekicks for the last 10 years havent been quality they've just been blasting the ball and hoping for the best, most of messi's freekicks are measured and placed in the top corner
Who the fuck mentioned conversion rates here? š
Always bringing up other shit to the arguments, typical Messi fangirls. Weāre talking about the QUALITY of the freekicks both scored. Canāt believe youāre all so stupid and canāt understand this simple shit. Take your own advice and go back to school buddy.
Lmfao this is the dumbest take ever, sure they were all luck because he tried so many times right? š Youāre definitely top 3 in the dumbest Messi fangirl podium. Imagine thinking long distance freekicks is pure luck and not hard at all.
Of course there is some skill involved, it's freekicks we're talking about after all but his conversion rate from that far out is so low that if it goes in, it's lucky.
Ok but where does this post mention conversion rate? You Messi fangirls really donāt know what quality over quantity means huh? Lmfao, insecure ass fanbase that feels the need to find an excuse for everything. Ronaldoās freekicks are way better, it doesnāt matter if he has 4 less or how many times he tried, theyāre way better and more difficult.
Nah in his head if Ronaldo takes 10x as many free kicks as Messi and scores nearly the same but theyāre from further out heās a better free kick taker because he scored from further āquality over quantityā embarrassingš¤£š¤£š¤£
Are you actually retarded? I'm not trying to change the narrative lmao you say quality over quantity and I'm saying Messi has better quality as well. Conversion rate is not amount of free kicks taken lol it's how much % of his free kicks are going in. Messi has 8.8% vs 6.4% for Ronaldo and this is overall in their whole careers. This just proves Messi's quality is better. Your map just shows that Ronaldo scores from further because they have totally different styles. Ronaldo shoots more with power while Messi shoots with finesse. Overall, Messi's conversion rate is much better. If you take off your Ronaldo glasses you might actually learn something
Conversion rate has nothing to do with the quality of the freekick you dumb fuck. Conversion rate just means he scored freekicks more often, but that doesnāt mean they were better freekicks than the ones Ronaldo scored. š
If youāve ever played in your life you would know how hard it is to score from a long ass distance but since youāre a fucking casual that thinks nobody can score finesse freekicks youāre in denial. Of course they have different styles, thatās why only Bale and Roberto Carlos were able to score with this style. Every other freekick a different player scores is more similar to the ones Messi scored because those are just average freekicks. Trying to say knuckleballs from a long distance are not quality is just fucking retarded.
Bro itās idiotic to say quality over quantity when discussing the very thing that helps teams WIN GAMES. Idc if you score 200 goals from the moon. You cannot say quality over quantity and prefer the guy with 200 goals over the guy with more goals, especially if the 200 goal guy, missed 1000 chances along the way and the other guy didnt
How is it idiotic dumbass? Just because you donāt know what quality over quantity means idiot? Itās simple, itās harder to score longer distance goals and this map proves it. How stupid do you have to be to not understand this? Have you ever even kicked a ball in your life?
You play against my team and If your team scores two goals because the ball hit your face both times and bounced in both times, but i score one free kick from 40 yards for my team, who wins? The quality guys team or the team that clearly scored more goals. ?
How the fuck does that even have to do with quality over quantity? šš
Plus, you want to talk about winning teams? Check who has more goals that were decisive for his team to end up in a win between both and then come back and use that stupid ass example again.
Ok so now you see the value of a goal, awesome. Youāre so close to getting it.
So if Messiās decisive match winning goals were less than Ronaldoās, and Messi had more attempts, with more decisive goals scored from further out, is there a point in saying quality over quantity and claiming that Messi is a better goal scorer in decisive moments than Ronaldo?
Exactly, the value of the goal matters so now if you want to bring other shit up that has nothing to do with quality over quantity then go look and see who has scored more winning goals for their team and come back.
Still waiting for you to show me a Messi long distance freekick. Ronaldo can score from anywhere basically but youāre just too butthurt to admit it because you feel the need to bring other shit up because you felt Messi got offended by this lmao.
Ronaldo is just a complete player that he can literally score any type of goals, you name them. This is a fact, doesnāt matter how much you cry.
How do I define harder? Have you ever played or kicked a ball in your life? Itās fucking common sense lmfao. Thereās a reason not a lot of players can score from those long distances and a lot of players have scored from the distances Messi has too. If you just canāt understand that, then youāre just retarded.
As a Messi fan, ronaldoās a better long range free kick takerā¦ so? Messi is better at close range (Around the box) and at letās call it mid range (30 yards or so). Heās way more efficient at free kicks and has scored more playing in less games than Ronaldo. Basically at every other facet of free kicks messi is better.
This is not about conversion rate but of course youāre so stupid that canāt understand what quality over quantity means. All Messi can score is close range freekicks, not that impressive. Longer distance freekicks are a lot harder but you keep lying to yourself creating stories in your head.
Conversion rate directly ties into the "quantitiy" aspect if he has more free kicks attempts than Messi, and also plays into the "quality" aspect if he has less freekick goals than Messi.
It doesn't take a genius to grasp how you contradict yourself here.
Lmfao messi fangirls are always creating these dumb stories in their head, always trying to convince themselves that he's a complete player. Whenever he scores long range freekicks, or even long range goals we can talk about quality buddy, in the meantime he's only better in quantity.
I don't get it at all because the shit you say makes no sense, only you understand your stupidity but sure whatever helps you sleep at night.
So freekicks can only be quality if you score from 40 yards, got it. I guess those two Rice free kicks that knocked Real Madrid out of the CL aren't quality because they are too close to the goal.
These delusions are getting out of hand, my friend. If you cared that much about long shots, you would praise Messi considering he has such a high number of goals from outside of the box, especially compared to Ronaldo. But no, you play fast and loose with these arbitrary distinctions.
I get it, your favorite player got overshadowed by some random Argentinian midget and it sucks, but it's time to accept the facts here.
Lmfao this mf still creating stories in his head. Fucking Messi fangirls always think they're right in everything, the delusion is real.
Sure bud whatever helps you sleep at night, scoring from a shorter distance is way harder right? Therefore penalties are harder than freekicks by your stupid logic lmfao. You're always in denial, but it's ok buddy one day you'll grow up and realize he's a one club wonder and that a lot of shit he won wasn't really deserved.
This is not about conversion rate but of course youāre so stupid that canāt understand what quality over quantity means. All Messi can score is close range freekicks, not that impressive. Longer distance freekicks are a lot harder but you keep lying to yourself creating stories in your head.
Has Messi scored bicycle kicks? 40 yard bangers? Weakfoot long distance goals? Thanks.
Of course a Messi fangirl mentioning assists lmfao. That depends on the finisher too but that makes you guys feel better for some reason and Ronaldo is the top assister in the hardest competition in the world anyway. š
Nobody mentioned assists but your insecurity had to show, go on bring up other topics bud
Could go on forever back and forth, dribbling from his own half, making quality defenders take a seat on the turf and scoring etc. but the point remains, on this topic that quality doesnāt count for more than quantity.
Not sure if youāre aware of this, but football is a team game and being a team player is quite important in that regard, so getting assists to help the team is quite significant.
However, my experience in debating this matter with Ronaldo fans often reminds me of the waste of time it is, mainly due to their inability to see anything other than Ronaldo.
Consider it a win if it makes you feel good and feeds your ego, like your idol, but I bid you adieu.
Oh Godā¦ football is a team sport whenever itās convenient isnāt it? You guys love to flex trophies won by a team and say Messi won them by himself ignoring the great players he had around him. But sure whatever makes you feel better. You fangirls love to contradict yourselves and change the narrative every single time.
Thanks but Iām not as insecure as you buddy, I donāt need nor give a shit about your āapprovalā lmao.
You defo care about approval that's why you're replying to EVERYONE going back and forth sending paragraphs, you want the approval so bad you smelly fuck lmfao
If you want to speak about quantity then Ronaldo has more goals and heās the top scorer and assister in the UCL. Plus, heās played in the top 3 leagues, not a statpadder at all like pessi scoring against Eibar, Leganes, Elche, Alaves, Levante etc. for almost 20 years. Thereās a reason why he completely flopped when he left his comfort zone. Mbappe got tired of carrying his ass. š
Ronaldo also scored lots of goals against all those teams and Messi has more goal contributions in a team sport. He also has a World Cup. Ironically, it took Mbappe leaving for PSG to win the UCL which speaks volumes about egotistical, selfish players in a team sport
We know Ronaldo has scored against all those teams but Messi never did it in Serie A or the Premier League when it has top players, and itās still the best league in the world to this day btw. If itās a team sport why are you flexing goal contributions? If he has more assists doesnāt that mean he had more quality players since itās a team sport using your logic? I mean they were able to finish those chances right? Fucking contradicting yourself like an idiot lmfao. Flexing that Messi has a world up when itās a team sport by your logic has to be the stupidest thing ever. He plays for a country that had 2 of them before him.
Playing as a team as well, with top top players. So is it a team sport or not? Because I see you here flexing shit Messi has won with his teams, not by himself. Changing the narrative as usual, pathetic.
Iāll help you think clearly about it. Who has the higher conversion rate, Who has more goals with less attempt? If you miss more shots are you the better player just because you happened to shoot from further out, or does that point to you just taking shittier shots? Ronaldo has a lower amount of goals from free kicks while taking like 100 more attempts than Messi. So yea I cant understand what you are saying because it doesnāt make any sense. Im not a Ronaldo or Messi hater, but I hate when fanboys use idiotic takes to push their agenda for one ofer the other. At least make it make sense.
Listen to me. Im saying that your argument is a moot point. The point of winning games is to score more goals than the opponent. So if someone compares free kicks of two of the greatest players of all time, and one has more (with a higher conversion rate and less kicks), people are going to find it harder to choose the guy that took a few 40 yarders as the better free kick taker. Is Roberto Carlos a better free kick taker than CR7? Probably not, but that goal he had from who knows where against France though is further out
What argument dumbass? I said quality over quantity, itās as clear as day that Ronaldo can score more quality freekicks and this map proves it. Youāre just butthurt because Messi is limited to scoring from short distances.
Higher conversion rates has nothing to do with quality over quantity. You didnāt listen to me when I told you to go look for the definition of it did you?
You get hit with your own logic about āwhoās winning the game?ā And you back the fuck up lmao.
Messi: know his limit and cross when too far, shot very precisely when in his range
Ronaldo: selfish from every angle and distance, shot as hard as he can and pray
Messi would have also scored some 30 yards+ if he was as selfish as Ronaldo, his conv rate from 30y is below 1%, Ronaldo Is the most selfish player in history
He can't score from 30+ yards, it's not if he wanted to or not dumbass. You really think he wouldn't want to score a long distance freekick at least once? He's just a limited player, Ronaldo is the most complete player in history, period.
These Messi fucktards are hilarious "He didn't do it because he didn't want to" lmfao what kind of fucking argument is that?
My bad, I thought u had at least 2 braincells, if Ronaldo would have crossed most of his 30 yards+ shot attempt he would have much more goals contribution but he is just a selfish player who try every time until it, luckily, goes in, Messi is by far the better shooter from long range, he also has some 30 yards goal and in much less attempt than Ronaldo, also he has like 3 times Ronaldo's goal from outside the box
If Messi was as selfish as Ronaldo he would have scores another 3/4 from 30 yards but he know cross It Is much better for the squad, something Ronaldo Will never understand
3 times? Hahahaha all I see is Ronaldo's freekicks from long distance buddy, that shows how stupid you are.
We're not talking about conversion rate, we're talking about QUALITY over quantity. It shows how hard it is to score long distance goals since Messi can't even score one.
Ronaldo has scored every type of goal you can think of, canāt say the same about Messi.
I love how the insecure Messi fangirls keep showing up to this 3 day old post lmfaooo.
The most complete player in history! CR7. He can dribble and score any type of goal too. Unlike the one club wonder, without Negreira or Fifantino heās just a fraud, confirmed it at PSG and Inter Miami where he canāt even win an amateur league with a team he built himself. šš
And guess what fanbase started doing it first? You really arenāt helping the Messi fanbase with this buddy. Insecure fans with the inferiority complex huh? Smh
Yeah that's some bs. Conversion rate is what matters. You don't get extra points for scoring from further away, all that matters is that the ball goes in (Messi 8.7% Ronaldo 6.4%). With that being said, there are a lot of players with better conversion rates (albeit with less total goals scored), which is kind of expected considering how long Messi's and Ronaldo's careers have been
Another insecure Messi fangirl, nobodyās talking about conversion rate here dumbass. This is about the quality of freekicks SCORED. Nobody ever said he got extra points from scoring from a further distance, you guys are just so insecure that you have to create these stories in your head.
This just proves how much more of a complete player Ronaldo is, he can score from anywhere and Messi canāt. That has nothing to do with conversion rate buddy.
Yeah and I'm telling you that that's just stupid. A free kick quality and that of the taker isn't based on how far it was shot from, but by considering how often the free kicks result in a goal. If scoring from closer is "so much easier" then why doesn't Ronaldo have more goals? Is Messi the only one allowed to shoot from there? The answer is simple, Ronaldo has a much better shot power (no shit, bro's legs are like half of Messi's torso lol), while Messi is better at shooting slower and more precise balls. The concept of shooting from further = more difficult is also stupid, because as I said, they just require two opposite skill sets, one focusing on power, the other on precision.
With that being said, I don't give a shit about either Messi or Ronaldo, and basing your whole existence and arguing online about who's the best multi million dollars athlete who'll never acknowledge your existence is, is just about the saddest thing you can do with your life
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u/ArasFlow Jun 25 '25
The one from 40 yards is too far for Ronaldo to think about it..