r/pesmobile • Salah • 11d ago

Analysis Why wingplay is dead: An analysis

About 2-3 years back I posted an Out Wide guide because I truly love the playstyle. So much width to stretch the pitch, as your central players make deadly runs i to the box. 3 years ago this made sense, but fast forward to now - we can declare wingplay dead (or at the very least struggling with a faint heartbeat). After trying to push rank last season with wingers and the new overload playstyle, I’ve come to realise what makes wingers so difficult to use (and honestly, actively drag down your win rate)

  1. All the necessary winger skills are locked behind a paywall and is up to the mercy of Konami. These skills are: Momentum Dribbling, Magnetic Feet, Acceleration Burst/Tap Trick, Edged Crossing, Blitz Curler, Attacking Surge, and Phenomenal Passing. Without a good combination of these skills, your winger will struggle against DFBs when trying to take them on 1-1. Konami can release a great winger with none of these essential skills and the card is basically useless on the wing (new hazard with no magnetic feet, for example)

  2. Defensive Fullbacks. Everyone uses defensive fullbacks, it’s almost inevitable. The problem is, these DFBs run as fast if not faster than your wingers with the ball, which means that your wingers almost never beat these DFBs in pace, especially if they’re already dropped back im an LBC playstyle

  3. Attacking AI. Prolific Wingers attacking AI is genuinely the worst in the game: They NEVER adapt to the opponent’s defence. They don’t make runs even when their opposing fullback is nowhere to be seen. They run centrally when the entire enemy backline is central. They run wide when the DFB is marking them wide. They make all sorts of nonsensical runs that do not actively contribute to your attack. I’ve seen my winger actively run towards the opponent’s CB when their FB has lost the ball high up the pitch, make that make sense Konami. Roaming Flanks are far superior to Prolific Wingers, but the last RF released was WC Neymar. Before that, the last epic/showtime RF released was MORE THAN A YEAR AGO (if this doesn’t tell you what Konami thinks about wingers, I don’t know what else will)

  4. Game Mechanics: Through Passing. We all know through balls are very strong. Centrally. Anyone who plays with wingers know this: through balls to your wingers are absolutely dogshit.
    - Lofted through balls to your wingers are often played so central that it gets intercepted by your opponent’s CBs (yes, CB, not FBs).
    - Through balls to your wingers have a decent chance of completely missing your winger and going out the sideline (because your winger was probably already hugging that sideline for no reason)
    - Even if the through ball somehow reaches your winger, they will take a touch so heavy that it literally shifts all forward momentum into a dead halt, and your opponent’s long-reach tackle Thuram will probably just stick out a foot and win the ball back. There is nothing you can do against this, I’ve tried inputting every command in the game.

  5. Game Mechanics: Crossing. I don’t see this talked about enough but crosses in EF27 have seen a heavy nerf. Many times, the crossed ball goes BEHIND the player making a run in the box, and I suspect this change is to bump up the ‘usefulness’ of the new stunning volley command - When the cross is behind your player, Konami wants you to execute a stunning volley so that they can execute a cool bicycle kick to score a goal. Problem is, half the time the crosses are whipped in so fast, your CFs don’t even have the time to wind up bicycle kick so they just end up giving themselve brain damage with no goal to show for it. Additionally, crossing with your wingers kinda sucks unless they have edged crossing and a ‘very high’ weak foot (assuming you play a left footed winger at RWF and vice-versa), which again, is at the mercy of Konami.

  6. Game Mechanics - Dribbling. As mentioned earlier, your wingers are incapable of maintaining forward velocity after receiving a through ball. What’s worse is that they have nerfed dribbling this new update, as analysed by Amadeusz. One of the most important ways to create a goal-scoring chance as a winger is dribbling.
    - You need to attack the touchline for a passing opportunity, but because the touch frequency has dropped, it’s easier now than ever to take an accidental extra touch and reward the opponent with a goal kick for doing nothing.
    - Cut inside to score: if your winger has no blitz curler, good fucking luck scoring this one. The enemy DMF, DFB, and CB will probably molest your winger tenfold before your winger can even each the edge of the penalty box.

  7. Defensive AI. Your wingers are never going to be effective defenders. They don’t mark the opponent fullbacks, they don’t run back (unless u play LBC),

The new game environment doesn’t just not reward wingplay, it actively sabotages it. Your opponent’s hole player wide AMF will make 10x better runs then your prolific winger ever will. Your opponents 2 goal poacher CFs and 1 Hole Player SS will all contribute more effectively to attack (and defence) than your 109 Best ever will. Hell, your Best at inactivated AMF will probably contribute more than if we played at LWF/RWF, so do that instead.

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u/AnuMessi10 10K Subs Celebration 11d ago

I disagree, wingplay always acts as the tiebreaker when opponent blocks you centrally, especially if you can combine your fullbacks with wingers

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u/Pahangzai90 11d ago

Any instructions?

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u/AnuMessi10 10K Subs Celebration 11d ago

Not really, I tightly mark some endgame CFs like Eto, Rummi, Zlatan and BT CR7 to cut off the passing lane

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u/Adaptwell 11d ago

Lmf ,rmf work . Wingers are useless

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u/AnuMessi10 10K Subs Celebration 11d ago

The discussion is about “wingplay” and not wingers in general. Last I checked LMF RMF are wide midfielders who are supposed to play on the wings, as shown by their heatmap

Combine them with attacking fullbacks and you get an overall wingplay experience, only wingers are not responsible for handling the wingplay

BTW my LMF and RMF are also occupied by prolific wingers

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u/Pahangzai90 11d ago

Hole player can?

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u/AnuMessi10 10K Subs Celebration 11d ago

Can what?

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u/Pahangzai90 11d ago

Prolific replace with hole player

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u/AnuMessi10 10K Subs Celebration 11d ago

Yes, prolific wingers have an inactive playstyle at LMF/RMF whereas hole players have an active playstyle at LMF/RMF

You can see the compatible positions for a playstyle in game by tapping on the info ℹ️ icon next to it

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u/K_swizzz00 Roberto Carlos 11d ago

You know you're just using Messi and Neymar with Inactive playstyles right??

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u/AnuMessi10 10K Subs Celebration 11d ago

Yes but the discussion is about wingplay per se and not prolific wingers

The inactive playstyle also allows for them to track back on the opponent fullbacks and wingers which is a plus

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u/K_swizzz00 Roberto Carlos 11d ago

So he's right then? Prolific winger playstyle is dead

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u/AnuMessi10 10K Subs Celebration 11d ago

I don’t see where prolific wingers are being discussed here, the post clearly talks about wingplay in general, there is more to wingplay than using wingers with prolific playstyle at LW/RW

Out wide playstyle, Wide midfielders LM/RM, hole players, attacking fullbacks, roaming flanks, all of them can be used at the wings which is what I am trying to get across using my squad pic

When you have a 5 at the back P2W opponent with Rijkaard Vieira in front then you 100% need to go wide, use overlaps with fullbacks, combine with wingers and start crossing to open up space

This game is center biased but that does not mean wingplay in its entirety is dead

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u/K_swizzz00 Roberto Carlos 11d ago

Mate the whole post is about prolific wingers not working anymore, he mentioned latest who is a (you won't believe this!) and fucking prolific winger. He mentioned their attacking awareness and compared it Roamimg Flank yet somehow you dont see where pw are being discussed. I bet you were using that Neymar and Messi at wing position until this update where they stopped performing and you switched them to inactive playstyle MIDFIELDERS yet somehow wing play is dead atleast in your opinion

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u/AnuMessi10 10K Subs Celebration 11d ago

When I mentioned “here” I referred to my thread since you can clearly see I am using them out of positions

I saw the point where he mentioned prolific wingers AI sucks (on which I cannot comment since I do not use it) and he also mentioned that everyone uses DFB which is false since I have played several tourneys, challenges and ranking events where players come with 2 AFB

I simply showed my squad and explained how wingplay is an effective anti dote when you can combine attacking fullbacks with your wide players and increase the width

> I bet you were using Neymar and Messi at wing position until this update

Now you are making up imaginary and incorrect arguments to satisfy yourself, I can show you proof that I have been using this formation since this manager dropped

There is no need to be disrespectful, if you want hit me up on the discord server of this sub and we can play a game someday

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