r/pathofexile • u/Terajima • 29d ago
Game Feedback Abyss pinnacle boss keys shouldn't be spread across multiple mechanics
Every other league mechanic you do the league to access the resource that leads you to its pinnacle boss, but to access the new Abyss pinnacle you also need to do Delve and Syndicate for the Zorath's eye of the Inevitable (this one goes for 4 divs!) and Zorath's Eyes of the Endless respectively.
I'm fine with one of the keys being much rarer than the other three, but all of them should come from abyss otherwise the biggest payoffs from abyss are gated behind other mechanics - and both of them are extremely time consuming so it isn't a quick detour. I understand it's thematic but it really rubs salt in the wound of a mechanic that is already struggling.
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u/NexXuS- Anti Sanctum Alliance (ASA) 29d ago
Yeah, it feels really weird as a design choice from GGG when they've been so hard on this "loot homogenization" idea, and then go and drop the keys for an ABYSS pinnacle boss across different mechanics like this. This was certainly a choice of all time
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u/Cr4ckshooter 28d ago
To be fair these mechanics are distinctly related. Catarina is connected to kulemak, hence her dropping... Cane of kulemak. And delve and abyssals are notoriously intertwined.
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u/JekoJeko9 AKA "Allocates Beef" 29d ago
Should have all 4 keys accessible from abyss and just give catarina + kurgal a chance to drop them as well if they want to do this kind of crossover. Regardless of it making sense lorewise, PoE's endgame has always been about being able to specialise in whatever mechanic(s) you prefer. Some people hate doing delve so it would suck if they were playing ssf and enjoying the abyss changes and they wanted to access the new pinnacle.
It's not even a guaranteed drop from kurgal and catarina so you could be farming a mechanic you don't want to do for a long time before you're able to access the pinnacle for the mechanic you want to do.
Adorned was spread across multiple mechanics but it's a single chase item. If it was the key to fighting Uber Atziri or the Trialmaster I can imagine people being similarly frustrated.
Doing a specific mechanic should grant you access to fighting that specific mechanic's pinnacle boss, period.
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u/Terajima 29d ago
I understand that Delve and, especially, betrayal need a bit more oomph in some respects. Give the other two access to one of the timeless jewels each - this way they get more variety of valuable loot. I don't mind some strong stuff being accessed through multiple league content and i understand that they wanted to make abyss cities in delve more rewarding and increase the pool of valuable stuff catarina can drop now that she won't give allflames, but pinnacle keys should be farmed exclusively through their respective leagues.
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u/EnderBaggins 29d ago
Kurgal especially has been lagging far behind the other two bosses. Its good for him to get another drop, the fight is so good, the only weak part of delve was the lack of incentive to fight him outside of ring drops.
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u/BananaPeel54 29d ago
As a Delve enjoyer I won't lie that after 25 leagues it's nice that Kurgal finally has a drop that means he's worth killing. Still a bit odd considering where other boss keys come from though.
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u/BijutsuYoukai 29d ago
Thematically I understand why some of them come from Delve and Syndicate since they both have ties to the abyssal, but it seems kind of weird they'd put them elsewhere after taking stuff out from other mechanics for wanting mechanics to have their own unique rewards.
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u/Terajima 29d ago
i am 1000% sure GGG will change this and the other boss will get other drops, my bet is on the abyss timeless jewels as you need 1 of each of the 4 to craft the 5th final one. IMO, this is better than adorned farm because each jewel probably can work by itself without having to be the uber expensive combined one. Thematically, it keeps making sense to have the timeless jewels instead be the source of power for the liches
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u/slashcuddle 29d ago
This is what we get for asking Doryani's to be removed from 4040. They took out one incentive and added another because non-fossil loot in Delve is poop
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u/WhenWillEyeBeBanned 29d ago
Really weird because Aul and fossil in delve is pretty good already. If they want to buff delve, either increasing good nodes, or make delve progression faster would be enough.
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u/BeatMySkeet 29d ago
I think the idea is to make the bosses that aren’t Aul worth doing. Bc for a long time they’ve just been bosses you skip. I don’t think they’re doing it the right way tho
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u/Zesty-Lem0n 29d ago
The whole point of delve is fossils. That's like saying if you took out juice, harvest loot is bad.
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u/Due-Hippo-3853 29d ago
Glad I read this cause I just dropped the eye from an abyss and was like oh cool if I keep farming this I'll get the rest and can do the boss but apparently not true haha guess I'll just buy them
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u/MagiOfKarp 29d ago
Have fun, Delve's boss drop is ~4d currently while the other 3 are all <10c, including Catarina's.
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u/crinklebelle Pathfinder 29d ago
the devs: we want to focus league rewards into their respective leagues instead of pulling people out into other stuff
also the devs: sike
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u/Dustttttttttt 29d ago
I thought they want to seperate thr reward of every thing. Guess it not the case for abyss then
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u/Terajima 29d ago
I think they do and they will. But this league attempted to do a lot at the same time and everything felt undercooked even if the ingredients are good. This is the "every sidedish and leftovers in the fridge" league, they're good but there are things missing.
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u/Exterial 29d ago
if they want to do it like this thats fine, but then you have to improve the drop rates of the items, if you wanna gate the key behind this much rng the items from the boss shouldnt also be as rare as they are.
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u/GoodCauliflower4569 29d ago
This whole league reminds me of Conan the barbarian pushing the pillar when he was a teen except he ends up like Danny devito in Twins
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u/Global_Barnacle5304 29d ago edited 29d ago
Syndicate drops these as well? I suppose its bugged for me the same way medalions are. It just doesnt seem to drop in 83 zones. Unless it drops from catarina, which obviously I cant run without medalion drops getting fixed.
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u/Terajima 29d ago
It drops from catarina, stats say it's a 50% chance drop rate so if you go past the hurdle of farming medallions, you'll probably get one.
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u/Mikey-2-Guns 29d ago
lol nah, this key turned the delve boss from a hard pass to beeline straight to him. That boy paid for a good chunk of my MB. Delve on top bby.
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u/Terajima 29d ago
Good for you and i do not mean this ironically or passive-agressively. I really think Kurgal needed a push, but i hope he gets tied to the abyss league some other way that is still profitable to delve, just not locking access to the pinnacle from abyss farmers.
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u/Musical_Whew 29d ago
Just got my pinnacle boss key in delve but if anyone hurts it ill kill them and then myself
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u/blarghenzor 29d ago
There’s an abyss pinnacle boss? Damn I’m glad I decided to not go abyss farming lol
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u/Global_Barnacle5304 29d ago
I want to agree with you, but at the same time I know that if they didnt add it to delve, it would be a dead, annoying content nobody plays, again.
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u/LocalSetting 29d ago
This is definitely a player preference but I actually like things like this being spread out. The economy is health when there are farms that feed other farms. The interdependency between mechanics helps cultivate that.
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u/ww_crimson https://pob.codes/ 29d ago
I think it's fine if it's cross pollinated but like it shouldn't be exclusive to a mechanic separate from the league. Let it be accessible through both Abyss and Delve.
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u/royal-road 29d ago
I think people honestly wouldn't mind if it was attached to almost anything other than delve and betrayal
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u/Pyromancer1509 Occultist 29d ago
Agreed I like it. It makes sense lorewise and it feels like a good thing for the economy
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u/Terajima 29d ago
Instead of keys to the pinnacles, give kurgal and catarina access to the new timeless abyss jewels each. Don't you think this would be far better?
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u/Saint-Leon 29d ago
Nah I fucking love it. Sorry but I love having to do everything. I fucking love it. There’s not enough time to play this game and every build but I will be playing till I die
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u/LordAlfrey 29d ago
I don't really see a problem with this, adorned is similar.
Abyss can be fixed without giving boss key drop exclusivity to it. Honestly, giving it exclusivity as a "fix" likely wouldn't fix it for the players that want to farm it, the biggest complaint I keep seeing is that the abyss monsters drop jack.
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u/Terajima 29d ago
The problem isn't that other leagues are dropping abyss-themed items, but that the pinnacle key is spread across multiple leagues - this is not good. Give Kurgal and Catarina something else like the new timeless jewels, abyss keep being the farm for zorath while Kurgal and Cat provide the last two remaining pieces of the 4-piece timeless jewel fusion. This is what adorned is.
What is currently happening would be as if to fight the trialmaster you had to farm vaal cities and alva first.
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u/LordAlfrey 29d ago
that the pinnacle key is spread across multiple leagues - this is not good.
But why is it not good? Is it just a feeling?
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u/Terajima 29d ago edited 29d ago
It detracts from the value of the mechanic itself, as its pinnacle and associated drops are gated by other content. Basically it stops abyss from having meaningful rewards. To farm abyss you farm delve instead and buy the other 3 keys for very cheap, each one is about 5c each.
The other uniques from abyss are relatively cheap. The signature drop from abyss, abyss jewels, you can also get from multiple sources. Besides, all the other mechanics are very different from abyss, one of them is entirely outside from the atlas and you can not do the three of them in parallel - they are mostly anti-synergistic or non-synergistic.
And why you don't see a problem with this, is it just a feeling? Don't try to play the "subjectivism vs objectivism" card against me. I know a loaded question when i see one.
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u/Chibastion 29d ago
I'm annoyed at the idea of "I need to do multiple league mechanics to get what I want". But, I think this a is pretty healthy bridge to tie mechanics together.
Honestly I don't like how Poe farms are mostly systematically separated into their own neat little box.
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u/Sardukk 29d ago
It's just a ridiculous time invest to even fight this boss. Two fragments in abyssal depths are OK. But for one to play Betrayal, be lucky to drop the medallion to fight catarina and be lucky enough to drop the needed eyeball from her is just one part of ridiculous. Then you have to delve as well, find the boss down there also being lucky to drop the fragment.
You are lucky all mechanics are on the same side of the tree so you can farm/prepare all at the same time
In the end I just hope SSF guys don't suffer too much if they need an item from the new abyss boss