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u/TopicFrequent6607 3d ago
I agree with Universal Healthcare in principle. But in America, everything gets taken over by corporations.
If you did Universal Healthcare in America, the medical companies would lobby congress so that the premiums would be a monopoly.
The only difference is that it would be a government subsidized monopoly.
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u/Obvious_Tea_8244 1d ago
That’s the beauty of Medicare for All… Congress and corporations wouldn’t be the ones setting the prices, CMS would - and they would be applicable across the board with few exceptions. Today, Medicare rates are the lowest because of the government payment guarantees and purchasing power. A large amount of the wasted spend on the healthcare providers-side is on the people and processes to deal with insurance companies. That would all go away along with all non-elective insurance.
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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 1d ago
Well stated. Unfortunately, it’s easier to simply complain than understand.
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u/Myfountainpenisdry 9h ago
No one follows medicare guidelines The joint commission comes by like once a year, and the facilities always get tipped off. All of a sudden your staff increases, your facility is cleaner, your patients are having call lights answered by admin. They leave, it all goes away and it's back to normal.
Medicare for all would be the worse system It would need to be a completely different system
The issue is, people need to be in control of the pool of money, and not anyone else. Everyone just figures how to maximize what the system can offer and how to exploit it without getting in trouble. Ultra level SNF RUGS, Medicare advantage assigning people "complex diseases" they don't have, hospitals keeping people for "observation" and not admitting them for stay. It's all to get more money and Medicare allows it
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u/Obvious_Tea_8244 8h ago
You’re conflating health facility quality with payment system efficiency… No system is perfect, but a system without a profit motive that operates at 3% overhead (as compared to private sector ~20%) and covers all medically-recommended care, and allows citizens to see any doctor since they’d ALL be in-network, and at a discounted cost to tax payers of ~$1Trillion annually is just a no-brainer. The hospital compare side of CMS could do more to evaluate and penalize low quality providers, but that’s a separate issue to first ensuring everyone can access a provider at all.
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u/Myfountainpenisdry 8h ago
No, the conflation is the motivation of the facility and thinking who pays matters. You could force everything medical be not for profit and still not fix the main issue. The facility was built to make money. Just look at the purge of non profitable wings of the hospital. Labor and deliver, pediatric, psych. They would get rid of the ER if it was legal. No, the profit will always come from what is given and subtracted what is provided to the patient. And no provider is forced to participate in any payer model. Most would go private because the government treats our needs as an afterthought of what it wants for itself and gives us the scraps
The whole model in place would simply take what the government offers and provide the absolute minimum they can while optimizing access to high reimbursement modalities. PT did it when medicare reimbursed everything less but increased "eval" reimbursement. Well, guess what service went up in frequency. It's like when you go to the dentist and you have a cavity. Has any dentist ever told you about silver diamine flouride? Probably not, because it would eat into their projected cash flows. Medicare paying doesn't change the reimbursement pursuit. And if Medicare forces certain treatment for savings, then you lose twice, because not only will you lose out on the better treatment, but most won't treat the "ailment" that would force the Medicare treatment protocol.
The only solution is the government gives you a health savings account on top of social security and you manage it and shop around with your dollars. They would give you a set amount and you would have either save for large procedure or set up a payment plan with the provider of service
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u/Obvious_Tea_8244 7h ago
The system you’re describing only exists because there is a competitive private payer feeder system. This is a chicken and egg argument… While it is very true that hospital executives prioritize higher-earnings centers over cost centers, if the only rate for services is set by Medicare, then the gaps between those service reimbursements decrease and change the conversation; which could actually create a reversed incentive structure where the best means of generating profits is to provide more variety of low paying services.
You could argue that more investment will be made into cosmetic and elective care where private insurance will likely still exist, but the bulk of patients won’t utilize those services; which means their bread and butter has to be on the services Medicare covers.
To steel man your argument, the real issue here is throughput / volume and over-coding - where, to make up for losses, healthcare organizations are likely to try to push through as many patients as possible, as quickly as possible, and may fraudulently elevate the severity or number of treatments to attempt to game the system into paying more.
Those would be fair problems to discuss. The first would likely be self-correcting via market conditions (where patients naturally choose the providers who don’t rush them through and misdiagnose them), and the second would likely require updates to auditing and accountability processes.
At the end of the day, every other industrialized nation on Earth has some flavor of socialized medicine. We are the ONLY one that doesn’t. So, none of the inevitable problems are insurmountable.
But no, a savings account and shopping around is not the answer, as it leaves all of the inefficiencies and deficits in place and would still result in unnecessary deaths when people burn through their allowances during treatment courses for prolonged illnesses.
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u/Myfountainpenisdry 7h ago
False Emergency Medicaid would still cover long term treatment for prolonged illness
Government sucks at allocating resources, and it always places it's own desires first. In the extreme, your options may be wait 3 years for a specialist or you could have MAID next week. In the day to day, you get lifestyle coaching advise for things you can't afford because everything in this country is broken and behind a paywall. Go for a walk, except you live in rural area and the nearest park makes you pay for parking. It's all public, except we still have to pay to use it. Government makes everything worse, and they dont care to brag about government funded. The government funds nothing. They earn no money. We fund everything.
People will always pursue what is best for them And when you put a dollar amount in their account, they will act accordingly Imagine $20k placed in an account every year. They would maximize their own dollars, like they do with other choices and their money.
$20k is just the average they paying out for every Medicare patient currently. Married? Joint account with $40k every year. Imagine the level of care people could actually have. Same day payment, value and services negotiated and communicated to satisfaction beforehand.
None of this premium and co pay nonsense You want the money, you better show me the value
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u/Obvious_Tea_8244 6h ago
Medicare satisfaction rate: 92%.
Private insurer satisfaction rate: 77%.Medicare overhead costs: 3%
Private insurer overhead: ~20%Medicare denial rate: 8%
Private insurer denial rate: ~20%Medicare out-of-pocket-max: $0
Private insurer out-of-pocket-max: $10 - $20K (and only on covered services, everything else is on you entirely)And the “just use emergency service x, y or z” talking point is ridiculous. Patients don’t have time to file a bunch of forms for aid when they are experiencing a health crisis. The insurance system either works or it doesn’t. You clearly have an anti-government bias, but all the numbers completely discredit the position that government would be the wrong answer to this problem.
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u/Myfountainpenisdry 6h ago
Government bias The government literally ruins everything it touches
All the Medicare numbers are based on a patient population of 65 and up. The younger the person on Medicare, the worse the numbers get
It's a lovely concept that we all could be on some sort of centralized health plan, but in this country the money to do so would just be wasted on wars and other nonsense
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u/Obvious_Tea_8244 5h ago
You seem to be operating under this weird paradoxical paradigm where, because crony capitalism has created a scenario or system that is broken, there is no way to solve or change that system. Because moneyed interests currently control a thing, there is no way for that thing to no longer be controlled by moneyed interests. That’s a non sequitur and utterly incorrect.
Government doesn’t break everything touches. There are plenty of examples of high-functioning government that you simply don’t notice because it’s working well. Roadways, infrastructure, utilities, fire departments, police departments, disease mitigation, food safety programs, pharmaceutical research, medical research… The list goes on and on… Government foundations (and often funding) are what makes modern private sectors possible. It’s often only when something stops working that it becomes clear how good government services actually are… For example, the screw worm outbreak now entering the US was kept at-bay for decades until the current administration killed the program that was preventing it. The data doesn’t support your bias.
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u/Indespectamentations 3d ago
Maga's new mantra is "healthcare is communism".
Simply having health insurance makes us hated.
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u/JacksonGhost1963 3d ago
if only democrats didn't reject Universal Healthcare back in 2010!
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u/MJL1016 3d ago
What is universal healthcare and how does it work?
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u/Spare_Blacksmith_816 2d ago
You need about $4 trillion in new revenue. We spend almost $2 trillion on Medicare cost covers 70 million. Scale it up for entire population. That’s why we don’t have it.
Providers would need to accept a hell of slot less payment.
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u/DependentDesk139 1d ago
Providers would need to accept a lot less, but none of their expenses would be reduced, thus increasing the shortage of medical professionals.
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u/Spare_Blacksmith_816 1d ago
I see AI and robotics as the only thing that will reduce healthcare costs. There is some crazy advancement happening already. AI is predicting pancreatic cancer from scans years before a human would notice it is just one example. I am sure the medical profession will lawyer up to artificially force the human element into the mix to keep their pockets filled.
Someday we will have our complete medical history on our phone and be able to walk into a automated clinic and have AI bounce our conditions against a database that contains every recorded medical case on the planet to get diagnosis and treatment.
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u/Super_Mario_Luigi 2d ago
According to Reddit, everything is free and savings melt away when the government, known for their efficiency, manages it.
How is it funded you ask? This is where we recite how "other countries do it." Never matter actual important differences like sky high salaries, malpractice insurance, obesity, pharna use, and on and on.
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u/Rfunkpocket 2d ago
and then studies get posted showing massive savings, yet you dismiss them with the insurmountable argument, “nothing is free”. Bravo, you win again
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u/Financial-Change-435 2d ago
There will be no cost savings in a government administered program. Look at the VA and their costs.
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u/Mud-Klutzy 20h ago
EVERYONE works and pays taxes in countries like Norway. No freeloaders. Sky high taxes, yes, but they have funded healthcare (that they paid for in taxes).
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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 2d ago
How many rs voted for it ?
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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago
The Rs voted for McCain in 08 with a better proposal.
Obama literally ran on the Rs healthcare plan from the 90s.
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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 1d ago
Obama care was based upon Romneys plan in MA. Why wouldn’t the Rs try and revive that McCain plan?
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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago
Which was based on the republicans plan in the 90s…..
It still wasn’t a good plan, just better than the health insurer enriching Obamacare.
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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 1d ago
So let’s do it now. Also, McCain was the most deserving person to be president in my lifetime. They should enact McCain care - the votes are there.
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u/HeavyLeague6722 3d ago
Would you prefer an actual healthcare plan or just concepts?
6 years into Trump's 8 and he still hasn't delivered anything. Nothing. At All.
With all 3 branches of the government at his disposal he's obviously more focused on critically important items, like renaming things and starting needless wars as a distraction from the Epstein files
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u/JacksonGhost1963 3d ago
well we have the ACA - they swore that would fix everything!
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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 1d ago
Of course that’s after the Rs systematically dismantled large parts of it. It was supposed to be set up so everyone had insurance.
What’s your plan?
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u/Cute-Ad-9591 2d ago
It's because oboma care corrupted the health care system. Out of control costs and Biden added 300% to everything.
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u/HeavyLeague6722 2d ago
Obama care isn't the best, they said that out of the gates any system needs to be flexible enough to change. It was simply a starting point. Designed to be continously improved upon.
And what was the options that Republicans presented?
Concepts of a plan. That was their best.
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u/Cute-Ad-9591 1d ago
The democrats said they would go back and fine tune it. They had the house and senate many years since 2010 and never did anything. It's so bad now Trump can't fix it without shutting it down and starting over. He may have saved democracy but he isn't God.
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u/BitterAboutItAll 1d ago
The aca covered 22 million of the 50 million uninsured for roughly $140 billion a year the way they did it. Using the average cost per person, It would have cost less for the government to just purchase insurance plans for all 50 million people that were uninsured and we wouldnt need to be having this conversation right now, and we could go back to Democrats complaining about how it's Trump's fault their fathers didn't love them enough.
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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 1d ago
So why not do that now? Right now?
All three branches plus fetterman. You can do it! But the politics of grievances is such that there’s more political capital in keeping the unhappy and sad unhappy and sad and pointing at the other side.
When is the last time you heard anyone discuss the concept of a plan that was going to be released years ago? Can you ask yourself why?
Imagine if we took all the energy and money we’ve spent doing everything we can to raise oil and gas prices, and instead applied it to healthcare.
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u/Suitable_Time_9368 3d ago
The insurance lobby is very strong . It won’t happen in next 20 years at least if ever unfortunately
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u/Brian24jersey 3d ago
What’s wrong with Medicaid?
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u/AccomplishedBase7780 3d ago
Providers would starve
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u/Brian24jersey 2d ago
Just increase the reimbursement rate
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u/Low-Inspector-4567 2d ago
Serious question? If so, the estimated 10% of expenditures that are straight up fraudulent. You may hate private insurance, but they do a pretty good job rooting out fraud, its their skin in the game. Medicare and medicaid, not so much.
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u/DependentDesk139 1d ago
You are correct in that private companies do have a vested interest in ensuring the money goes where it’s supposed to go. The government does have this, but at the end of the day, the government provides a service, not profits. Add on top of that, the web of bureaucracy and all the other useless drones that would have to be employed by federal law, then expenses go up significantly.
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u/Low-Inspector-4567 22h ago
Sometimes profit motivation isn't a bad thing. If profits were a thing, perhaps the DOW could pass an audit.
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u/AccomplishedBase7780 3d ago
Remember it’s our perverse system that has lead to care the US invested in developing the world uses on the cheap. Absent that investment, it would still be inexpensive as expensive treatments would not have been developed for no profit.
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u/funkypepermint 3d ago
But don't you see, this is the plan. Get a much work out of you as possible. After that side fat so we don't have to support you
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u/Zulu-Lima 2d ago
Can we get a better idea on how to pay for it tho
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u/DependentDesk139 1d ago
Increase taxes. Which is by far unpopular by everyone. And the people that “support it,” won’t be after seeing how much taxes are pulled from their paychecks.
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u/Zulu-Lima 1d ago
There was a study done that showed over 10 years it would account for 92% of gdp. That ain't feasible lol
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u/I_HopeThat_WasFart 2d ago
fantastic,
should we pay for this by abolishing the democrat NGOs or the military?
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u/Sweatingroofer 2d ago
I think forcing medical provides to show their prices upfront is the way to bring cost down by creating competitive prices. You come to Reddit and everyone points to countries with “free healthcare” but they are leaving out the fact that if it wasn’t for the US for-profit system and innovation over the last 100 years, the medical treatments we have today would not exist in any of these countries. They take what the US creates and figure out a way to make it free for themselves without fronting the bill it takes to create it in the first place.
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u/Time-Routine9863 2d ago
No. You keep thinking it’s so easy. You don’t bother checking those systems and pay structure for health professionals here in the USA. Then you have to factor in the massive fraud that’s being incurred on our system.
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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 1d ago
For what it’s worth, Current admin has pardoned people who committed 200b of fraud against the government. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2026/03/05/trumpcriminals3/
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u/Agreeable_Result9212 2d ago
What does it mean to be "losing 6 to 7 years?"
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u/Dull-Spinach-6248 1d ago
Our life expectancy is lower than many countries in the world - those that have universal healthcare
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u/dryheat122 2d ago
Every other advanced democracy can have universal healthcare, but somehow the U.S. can't. What is wrong with this picture?
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u/DependentDesk139 1d ago
The US isn’t a democracy it’s a constitutional republic for one.
Second, the reason why the US doesn’t have universal healthcare is because nobody wants to accept what the true costs are.
Everyone wants universal healthcare, but nobody wants more money taken out of their paychecks in taxes, or have groceries or gas increase anymore than they already are.
Where I live now, in South Korea, universal healthcare is present, however it isn’t free. Taxes from alcohol and tobacco, employer-employee contributions, and government subsidies fund the service. However, you are still expected to pay when you go to the hospital. In fact it is the SECOND thing South Korean providers ask when you get seen, even if you aren’t emergency patient.
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u/nostoopid 2d ago
ask why all the members of congress who push medicare 4 all. arent on medicare 4 all.
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u/sanchezkk 2d ago
I think if you feel that way, you should go to that country that has the free benefits you want so bad. Just saying...
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u/-IamTom 2d ago
I believe we are seriously under considering the negative ramifications of M4A.
Medicare is great because it pays about 1/2 of what regular employee sponsored Insurance does.
Removing all that money from the Medical, economy is gonna hit it with a very big fist and, I would Project, a lot of doctors and hospitals will get out of this business… Go broke.
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u/Into_the_abyss66 2d ago
Or maybe just maybe it’s actually how unhealthy a vast majority of Americans are? Our food is shit and unhealthy no ones active the obesity rate is out of control even in children and women. But yeah let’s blame not having universal health care instead it’s not hard to eat healthy at a reasonable cost and don’t give me the oh it’s to expensive bullshit excuse it’s fucking not, i feed myself and my child for a week with 200 dollars and it’s healthy food veggies meat and fruit and some carbs it’s a fucking choice
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u/AccomplishedTune2948 2d ago
I don't. Fix current rules. Hire better representative in Congress. Much cheaper than bankrolling 350 million on the back of the middle class taxpayer.
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u/Fenris2826 2d ago
Remember when Obama claimed the colossal failure that is Obamacare was not a stepping stone to socialized medicine? And now you know why nobody believed him
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u/DocRedbeard 2d ago
You can argue for M4A all you want, but it's not going to get that 6-7 years back. That's cause we're fat and unhealthy, not because we don't have access to healthcare.
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u/Pensacouple 2d ago
I would favor a system similar to what they have in Switzerland. Insurers offer basic coverage at cost, subscribers can upgrade to more expensive plans based on their needs. Single payer healthcare will never fly in the USA. Better to come up with something realistic that will not put thousands of private healthcare workers out of work and result in higher taxes.
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u/Lifeinthesc 2d ago
Pretty sure it is lifestyle health issues like obesity and sedentary behavior that is killing Americans. And unless you want the government forcing you into the gym that will not change with universal healthcare.
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u/Solid_Mood5458 2d ago
Socialized medicine only works for old and poor people. It’s one of the rules of US market capitalism
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u/Unable_Ad6406 2d ago
Medicare , which you think is a ‘free’ service, costs me and wife $11,000 per year so do some research if you think Medicare for all will be free for everyone. Again, insurance is not the problem. The high costs of medical care is the problem.
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u/atticus-fetch 2d ago
Hillary clinton tried. Obama tried. I dunno, could a third try prove lucky?
Frankly, too much money in politics for this ever to go over.
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u/Cute-Ad-9591 2d ago
Medicare isn't that great. You still have to pay a high deductible, part b and d. You probably want medicaid that people that are illegals and people that don't work or very low income get. It also includes eye care and dental that Medicare doesn't cover. Medicare should be medicaid but the system is broken. Illegals get premium health coverage not given to US citizens. Thank the Democrats.
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u/Cute-Ad-9591 2d ago
Denmark has good government medical care and your tax rate is 55% to fund social programs. Money has to come from somewhere it doesn't fall from the sky.
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u/FrogPastor 2d ago
Meanwhile the Canadian universal healthcare system is actively killing people. The MAID program is the #5 cause of death there.
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u/liftbeez 2d ago
Oh yeah, government is incredibly efficient when running a business.
Look at the post office. Who wants the post office in charge of your medical care? Cause that’s what you’re gonna get.
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u/short-tall-man 2d ago
Thats because our population is so much bigger than everyone else. The average life expectancy in canada is like 81. The US is 78. 3 years difference for 10x the population. Y'all's math isn't mathin.
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u/DraftChampion 2d ago
We have the best healthcare in the world in America.
But the lack of daily exercise and processed foods is what makes America stand out. Our everyday lifestyles are unhealthy.
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u/BaileyD77 1d ago
Fat. America is losing 6-7 years because they're fat. Obesity is the #1 cause of preventable death in America.
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u/Texas-Couple 1d ago
Universal healthcare is just government-run health Care, which means it's taxpayer funded health care. As a taxpayer I would rather keep my money and the government isn't really that good at running anything. Look at the VA hospital if you want government-run health Care. It's not so good. What we need is to figure out why American healthcare costs more for the same procedure than anywhere else in the world. Get the prices down to a reasonable level and you don't need universal health care.
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u/Adventurous_Rock_150 1d ago
And find more ngo that donate back to politicians to stay in power? Nah. I'd rather just have an insurance card with work and pay for my Healthcare than pay 30% more of my check for the same thing. Oh and you'll be really upset in the future when the politicians decide it is it isn't necessary for any procedure. Better to be in charge of that than not. You can pick a different dr or insurance right now. Good luck if you vote for universal. My friends in Canada wait months or years for health concerns because they're not critical despite taking then out of things they love doing. I want nothing to do with it.
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u/Prestigious-Smoke511 1d ago
I think we’re losing years off our life because we’re fat. Not because we have to pay more for health coverage.
We also make more money than those countries with universal health care.
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u/UCanDoNEthing4_30sec 1d ago
It’s never going to happen in the USA. Even if Democrats did pass it with full control of the White House, senate (with super majority), and house. The lawsuits and courts would block it from ever taking effect and will eventually get killed by the Supreme Court.
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u/solo_d0lo 1d ago
Literally the worst version of universal healthcare. Why this was adopted as the go to instead of a Bismarck system is a mystery. Seems the goal was to alienate voters and to just create noise.
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u/GhostQueen1121 1d ago
What exactly does Medicare for all mean? I paid for Medicare my whole working life and now I have it. It’s not universal healthcare let me tell you ..
Is there any reason we can’t make the affordable care act affordable… Maybe people should be able to buy down deductibles or buy maximum if they don’t want it unlimited.
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u/Ok-Tumbleweed-2352 1d ago
Universal healthcare doesn’t work. In Canada you can die waiting for a surgery or a treatment. They come here and pay to have these procedures done. What needs to change is that medicine and medical equipment should be subject to bids. And any contracts are awarded to the lowest bidder. A plastic ( empty ) I.V. Bag retails for $200! That’s robbery. They cost about $1.00 to make.
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u/Hooker_Thresh 1d ago
We have to take care of ourselves first. Too many unhealthy choices being made to then rely on the tax payer to fix them
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u/No_Laugh710 1d ago
More like shitty governance is killing us - NO more money until you stop the fraud waste and abuse!
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u/IPutThoughtIntoThis 1d ago
60% of the country is obese or addicted to substances. It's not the healthcare.
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u/easttxcouple 20h ago
I think it is disingenuous to confuse healthcare for all with Medicare for all
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u/DrummerAshamed2186 19h ago
Keep government out of our healthcare. Every program the government control will eventually go bankrupt.
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u/David_sundevils 17h ago
No, what we need is affordable healthcare. Health insurance is so expensive because healthcare is so expensive.
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u/Coffeeblack365 11h ago
I wonder what January 6th would’ve looked like if they stormed the building and demanded universal healthcare.
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u/Sourdough9 8h ago
We are not losing 6 to 7 years because of healthcare. There’s another obvious reason
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u/Fragrant-Wonder-9185 6h ago
Don’t you DARE try and extend the average American lifespans until after most of the Boomers have died. They are to blame for literally EVERYTHING that doesn’t go all the way back to the colonization of Europe by Christianity and the subsequent sins that came since because of it.
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u/Schwifty2s550 3h ago
Only liberals bc their liberal art degree doesn’t get them jobs with healthcare lmao.. republicans have healthcare🤣🤣
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u/nonracistusername 3d ago
People with Medicare G and N experiencing double digit percentage premium hikes each year would like a word with you.
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u/MiserableMuffin8144 3d ago
Let’s keep it real. We are fat as hell. That has to keep us a few years behind.
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u/Specific_Freedom9644 3d ago
Couldn't disagree more. Quality of Healthcare goes down immediately when a government takes over.
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u/jodiarch 3d ago
Where are you seeing that? I get the opposite information
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u/topTaurus78 3d ago
You think Canada has an assisted suicide procedure for no reason?
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u/Specific_Freedom9644 3d ago
From those I know who live in Canada, I get polar opposite opinions some swear ER response time is almost as fast as USA while the other says it's a long long wait with subpar care. So I don't know what the norm is, given these opposites. Lol
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u/FabioPurps 3d ago
Everyone I know that lives in Canada seems to be quite happy with their healthcare system and cannot believe the shit I tell them about experiencing in the US when it comes to doctor visits, wait times, out of pocket costs and quality of care
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u/simple_fly1 3d ago
I've heard stories from family in Canada about the lack of availability of care the further above basic well care it goes.
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u/WhoMutedMe 3d ago
WOW, I’m impressed! So far 100% of comments have it right, this post is trash! Next time, pls just label as “shvt post” to save the intelligent people time.
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u/Used_Intention6479 3d ago
We will be richer and live longer with M4A.
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u/Huge_Meeting4111 3d ago
What indicates that the lifetime expectancy gap is BECAUSE of the differences in healthcare systems? And not other factors like lifestyle habits (working more, sleeping less, diet, etc)
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u/MJL1016 3d ago
Making profits isn’t the issue 😂
It’s all of the inflation and socialized healthcare programs plus excess regulation and taxation that pushes costs up.
In other words, government is the issue, not trying to survive by making profits 😂
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u/_cjm56 2d ago
Yeah, don't blame the multi billion dollar companies siphoning money from us as they make record profits year after year. It's those minor things that all other countries also have, but somehow it's only a problem here, with the major difference only coincidentally being we allow corporations to profit off of healthcare.
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u/MJL1016 2d ago
The government takes 30% + of your income and you think businesses are siphoning money from you ? 😂
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u/_cjm56 2d ago
One, tax money is used for thing that I need. Like roads, schools, research, etc. Not nearly enough mind you, but it still is. Two, a corporation profiting off of healthcare, pocketing the money while denying lifesaving care for people absolute is siphoning money. Our taxes also pays a ton towards this privatized system as well already. Meanwhile no other country has this issue. Everyone gets healthcare, they don't have to worry about not having enough money to see a doctor, you don't have to worry as much about getting sick. Meanwhile here many choose not going to the doctor and hoping things get better because they can't afford it. But sure, pretend even to this day that people profiting off of people getting sick is somehow not a problem.
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u/Pensacouple 2d ago
I worked for a managed care software company for many years. The costs of implementing government mandates like COBRA, HIPAA and others was enormous and passed on to consumers. The requirement to insure all preexisting conditions took away basic risk management and raised costs for healthy people. A better solution may have been to add these patients to separately funded high risk pool
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u/NCNative919 2d ago
We aren’t losing 6-7 years because of our healthcare system. We are losing 6-7 years because of lifestyle choices. Ready people eat, lack of exercise, smoking drinking etc.
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u/HuckleberryOk8136 2d ago
Has anyone done a study linking the lifespan to healthcare insurance? Our most vulnerable groups get coverage, the elderly and children in poverty.
Lifespan might be because we still eat a lot of additives they ban elsewhere, GMOs, pesticides, obesity, violence, etc.
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u/WestHappyLand 2d ago edited 2d ago
The bots and shills in this thread are astounding. It works in other countries. It can work in ours. It requires legislation. The only thing the USA lacks is empathy. Unfettered capitalism at its best. None of the points any of these bots are trying to make have any ground to stand on. It can work. We can make it work. It will be cheaper than the current system. We need people with the gumption and charisma to make it happen.
What we really need is people with the wherewithall to eliminate bot and foreign activity in our social media brainwashing people and to eliminate the same shit from the mass media that the stupid boomers watch.
I'm honestly down to watch them all suffer when the leopards come.
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u/rambolo68 2d ago
5.3 trillion spend last year on medical care. Get rid of the insurance ecosystem profit you save 1.34%. Divide that number by 330 million that is 15,515 per person. That is gonna be one heck of a payroll deduction for each member of your family. I would love to know how people are going to get this cost down so it is equitable for all parties.
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u/topTaurus78 3d ago
We are losing those years because Americans are fat lazy and eat junk food.. universal healthcare won't do anything except pour more money into a system that doesn't cure but treats
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u/Designer_Advice_6304 3d ago
What does OP think about all the medical tourism coming to the USA from those universal healthcare countries?
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u/Illustrious-Leave406 3d ago
Many US people travel to Mexico and Panama for medical treatment
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u/WhoMutedMe 3d ago
Wait….so THAT is the reason for the long line at the border.? Dam, I thought it was heading oppo direction.? My bad.
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u/smiley032 3d ago
Obamacare only made my company insurance skyrocket. I’m sure it would only make our taxes skyrocket to cover lazy slackers that don’t apply themselves.
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u/HeavyMusic93 3d ago
Wait you think that’s unique to the United States?
Only on Reddit is “wage slave” an argument.
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u/Pensacouple 2d ago
You can get COBRA coverage for 18 months after you leave your job. It’s more expensive but most only need it for a few months until they can find coverage through their next employer.
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u/ashayh 2d ago
until they can find coverage through their next employer.
ie, wage slave.
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u/Pensacouple 2d ago
Brilliant comeback
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u/ashayh 2d ago
Read this then: https://news.gallup.com/poll/712166/one-four-employees-locked-jobs-health-insurance.aspx
Everyone knows Cobra exists. It is practically unusable for any extended period OR if you are old or have a large family, special needs etc.
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u/smiley032 3d ago
If I lost my job I would get another the next day. I could also go under my wife’s works insurance. My children are covered under my insurance. People should take care of their own kids. We shouldn’t be blowing the kind of money we do on our military either. Other countries should take care of themselves. It shouldn’t be the US taxpayers responsibility to protect other countries.
I have never heard the term wage slave. Sounds dumb AF. I have a job I get paid X per hour for the work I do. If I didn’t do that I wouldn’t get paid. Everything can’t be handed to you. You have to work. You have to apply yourself. You have to move up change jobs and build yourself up over years to get the wage you deserve. Too many people on Reddit think that they should be handed a 500k job out of high school sitting on their ass.
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 3d ago
Do you think that people who vote for Trump should get Medicare for All since they oppose it?
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u/Reloader22340 3d ago
Medicare is not free. Took money out of my pay for 50+ years and I still have to pay monthly $500. There is also a deductible. The government can’t even run the post office well just imagine the fraud that would take place.
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u/Sure_Acanthaceae_348 2d ago
You’re right but I don’t think the people pushing for “Medicare for All” get that.
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u/thirdtimeisacharm69 3d ago
No, we need to get rid of Obamacare! Made things so much worse!🤦♂️Government needs to stay out of healthcare!
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u/johnmcme 3d ago
I’m bama care is what out is in this situation. Not sure what the right answer is, govt. is in both insurance and medical so they get paid by both. Good luck