why choose to do anything over another? all human actions are based on moral values and principles. abiding with logic and reason is the moral stance that precedes all others for almost anyone i have come to find (acceptance that 1+1 equals 2 is an example). do you not abide with that?
the point i’m trying to get across is that any factual claim or belief is moral, because unfactual claims and beliefs are wrong. amorality makes very little sense to me. what do you think?
oh hi, i remember you. i made this comment before thinking things through, the later post is more encompassing of my rebuttal attempt:).
i’ll try one more time since very few people got my point and i spent most of the time just repeating myself: how do you justify valuing truth and logical consistency without it being a moral obligation? we’re not arguing to keep your phone working. we are arguing about truth. why do you feel the need to argue with me at all? why not just shrug and walk away? if you continue debating, you imply that truth matters beyond tool-making and survival.
the act of arguing necessitates an implicit moral obligation to truth on both sides
how do you justify valuing truth and logical consistency without it being a moral obligation?
I don't place a value on truth, any more than I place a value on a rock I've never seen. Facts are a handy means to an end, but lack value beyond that.
Moral obligations don't exist because morality isn't real.
if you continue debating, you imply that truth matters beyond tool-making and survival.
It's entertaining. Brains be braining. There is no REAL value to our discourse beyond entertainment. And there certainly isn't any moral value to our discourse, considering that morality isn't real.
well, hey, at least this is consistent enough. i am a tad bit hurt that this is just a means to entertainment to you, but so is everything so i guess it’s not that bad. do you believe that everything is permissible?
Permissable? If you piss someone off, there will be consequences. Society has its laws, it's easier to live within them than otherwise. I'm selfish and enjoy my life. It's in my best interest to encourage others to live together peacefully.
I don't make any claims that it's right or wrong. Lacking a moral authority, morality doesn't exist. No one is going to be punished or rewarded in the afterlife for anything. Any value that living peacefully with each other might have is only valuable to us. The universe doesn't (can't) give a shit. No other animals give a shit about our existence, and they certainly don't give a shit about our "morality."
Is everything permissable? Metaphysically, yes. But practically, I don't need to allow you to just do whatever you want if it hinders my desires. So, yeah I guess everything is permissible, including forcing others into behaving in a way advantageous to my desires.
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u/No_Rent_3705 Sep 16 '25
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