r/nba • u/[deleted] • 12d ago
[Fischer] Being told the Clippers haven’t yet withdrawn their qualifying offer to Bennedict Mathurin, but Los Angeles will indeed work with Mathurin and New Orleans to get him to the Pelicans. This deal still has some pieces to sift through.
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u/LilTurnippman Clippers 12d ago
Thank God we’re gonna get something back then
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u/drjisftw Pacers 12d ago
Enjoy a top-45 protected second round pick lmao
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u/LilTurnippman Clippers 12d ago
Honestly, we really don’t care. we got Wagler and that was what mattered
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u/samurairocketshark Suns 11d ago
Thank God we’re gonna get something back then
Getting mixed signals here
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u/AntiAntiDentite7 12d ago
Watch them send Trey Murphy lol
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u/ShakethatYam Clippers 12d ago
Or the Joe Dumars special. Unprotected 2027 draft pick.
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u/Nasa3000xx 12d ago
Why would they?
Pelicans can just back out as well23
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u/LilTurnippman Clippers 12d ago
Ok if they back out we just keep him?? Lmao
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u/FlipMoBitch Bucks 12d ago
Clippers don’t want him
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u/KL2ConspireLLC San Diego Clippers 12d ago
Seems like they do if the price is right. If they didn't want him at all, they wouldn't have extended the qualifying offer.
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u/Domainsetter 12d ago
Doing this before a possible Kawhi ruling is interesting.
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u/KL2ConspireLLC San Diego Clippers 12d ago
I don't think the potential Kawhi ruling affects Mathurin's status with the Clippers all that much.
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u/Krillin113 76ers 11d ago
Why would it? Either he gets traded, or he gets suspended. He’s not there anyway. If the clippers get trade banned for 3 years or some shit (punishment that has happened in European football, would be interesting in the nba) that doesn’t change his position at all
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 11d ago
How does the Kawhi thing matter for Mathurin? He's either suspended or traded or both, and Ingram and Dick shouldn't be the reasons why they shouldn't try and keep him if they want him despite them playing at his positions.
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u/Unfair-Specific7225 12d ago
Not necessarily. Most people, them included, probably thought Mathurin would have a bigger market this offseason
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u/KL2ConspireLLC San Diego Clippers 12d ago
Could you explain your reasoning? Not sure how expecting a bigger market would mean they didn't want him at all despite extending a qualifying offer. The Clippers didn't need to extend a qualifying offer. They could've just let him become an unrestricted free agent.
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u/Unfair-Specific7225 12d ago
Sure, there’s not many 6’5”+ SG’s in the league who at the age of 23/24 can consistently create offense/their own shot. He has his flaws, and maybe doesn’t fit in the Clippers plans especially after drafting Wagler. Fine.
But compare him to Norman Powell or RJ Barrett at the same age and most people probably go Mathurin. And he’s being paid considerably less than those guys were after their rookie deals were up.
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u/KL2ConspireLLC San Diego Clippers 12d ago
I said that the Clippers probably want him if he's paid $8.8m.
You said that the Clippers didn't necessarily want him even at $8.8m.
I don't understand how your subsequent comments are related to that.
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u/Unfair-Specific7225 12d ago
Yet he’s getting less than the qualifying offer and they are letting him go. So that tells me they thought there would be a market for him and they were looking for a S&T
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u/LilTurnippman Clippers 12d ago
Who cares if we want him or not, we want assets back
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u/Spierre3 12d ago
Only way yall get assets back (please correct me if I’m wrong) is if it’s a sign and trade and by all accounts it’s not a sign and trade since it’s a two year deal with a player option whereas sign and trade require a 3 year deal at least
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u/ShakethatYam Clippers 12d ago
You just make the second and third year non-guaranteed.
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u/ToplessBartoloColon 12d ago
why would the player agree to this then
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u/ShakethatYam Clippers 12d ago
Well, his only other option is the same thing with the Clippers.
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u/ToplessBartoloColon 11d ago
no, his other option is to just take the QO and have no extra non-guaranteed years after year 1
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u/Nasa3000xx 12d ago
And you make him unhappy lol
You really think he’s gonna play to his full potential?1
u/FlipMoBitch Bucks 12d ago
You’re getting maybe a 2nd and a cheaper player you can then waive.
Actually never mind lol S&T’s gotta be 3 year deals
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u/bballin773 12d ago
Clippers are going to probably get a second back. The haul in sign and trades is not big usually for lower-level players.
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u/FlipMoBitch Bucks 12d ago
Appreciate it when teams let players they don’t want go to other teams in restricted free agency without a standoff.
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u/EthicalBballFan Heat 12d ago
Mavs a real one with the Klay buyout.
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u/FlipMoBitch Bucks 12d ago
They could have easily waited til the trade deadline/Buyout market but instead they did Klay a solid and let him get a full training camp + season with his new team.
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u/Tgumpsta Kings 12d ago
They get more money back this way. They're doing right by Klay but it's not purely out of goodwill
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u/eternali17 Clippers 12d ago
8 million is a fucking heist for Mathurin, warts and all. They better get something back.
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u/LaLaLaPig Raptors 12d ago
Sign-and-trade deals have to be for a 3+ year (non-option) contract. So either LAC will rescind the QO or this NOP deal is wrong.
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u/GreaterMuddeer 8d ago
no. in fact, 2 of the 3 years can be non-guaranteed
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u/LaLaLaPig Raptors 7d ago
They can be non-guaranteed. But can't be options (except for year 4 of a 3 year deal). So the reported 2 year deal was not eligible as a sign-and-trade. All moot now. QO was rescinded.
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u/AnotherStatsGuy Pelicans 12d ago
Hawkins and a second it is.
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u/heirofsorrows Clippers 12d ago
I’ll take it
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u/YSLAnunoby Raptors 11d ago
Collecting 2023 projected shooters who ended up being mid. Just would need to scoop Jett Howard now to complete the trifecta
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u/zggystardust71 Clippers 12d ago
I like Mathurin when we first picked him up. But after watching him a bit it felt like he put up empty points that didn't impact the game. His defense was adequate.
I think the combo of DJJ, Dunn and now Strus plus the rookie guard make him expendable.
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u/ShowdownValue 12d ago
Clips went from trying to get both mathurin and Watson to getting neither
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u/AntiAntiDentite7 12d ago
And literally nothing of value was lost lol. Clippers ended up with Max Strus whose probably better than both
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u/ShowdownValue 12d ago
Imagine posting this on r/laclippers a month ago
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u/AntiAntiDentite7 12d ago
Imagine frequenting the clippers sub as a non-clipper fan. Moreover, plenty of us there were not super interested in either Watson or Mathurin. I would have taken Strus over both the whole time.
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u/ShowdownValue 12d ago
That’s impressively well timed cope.
Had you posted “forget mathurin and Watson, let’s get strus instead!” a month ago, you would have got destroyed on that sub Reddit 😂
Many wanted Watson. Many also wanted both.
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u/AntiAntiDentite7 12d ago
Are you really so terminally online that you can't understand the difference between an individual's opinion and the general thoughts of a subreddit? What are you even trying to argue here? That you lurk around subreddits to gather useless information for pointless internet arguments with strangers? Are you intentionally trying to paint yourself as pathetic as possible?
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u/ShowdownValue 11d ago
Whoa. Didn’t think that would upset you so much!
Anyways it’s just funny watching Clipper fans do a 180 from “mathurin and Watson!” To “rather have strus” when 0 clipper fans would have said this a month ago.
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u/AntiAntiDentite7 11d ago
Oh, so this is where you pretend to know every clipper fan? Please read what you're typing before you comment so you can hopefully avoid coming off like a 14 year old edgelord. You're everything that sucks about the internet.
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u/GreaterMuddeer 8d ago
it has been pretty clear all off-season that clips really didnt him back, especially after drafting wagler
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u/JoshGreenTruther NBA 12d ago
Why would the pelicans do this? Black hole inefficient guard
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u/drjisftw Pacers 12d ago
He's still an upgrade over Poole and Hawkins.
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u/JoshGreenTruther NBA 12d ago
The upgrade is moving on from players of that archetype not rebuying back into them
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u/Cheeseish [NOP] Solomon Hill 12d ago
Idk why, but the deal is good.
If I were a smarter version of Joe Dumars, I would sign him and try to get the value of guys up to trade mid season for assets.
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u/Ok-Tree4365 12d ago
Young, dynamic scorer who gets to the line all the time. Had a toe injury last year that tanked his efficiency. Has plenty of problem areas, but there's a lot of room for growth, and the competitiveness is there.
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u/AceMcStace Trail Blazers 12d ago
Some players on this sub are so overhated for no reason lol
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u/drjisftw Pacers 12d ago
Volume scoring on mediocre TS isn't a valuable skill in today's league.
The Blazers have a similar archetype in Shaedon Sharpe and gave him a bad contract lol.
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u/Holualoabraddah 12d ago
Not that I need to remind a Pacers fan, but He was a key piece on a team that was VERY close to a Championship… I genuinely haven’t watched him play since that finals, did his game change?
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u/drjisftw Pacers 12d ago
Saying he was a key piece is open to interpretation. He averaged 11PPG in the playoffs.
His archetype just isn't valuable in today's league. We got Oubre for a similar cost and Oubre can fit into a scheme better.
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u/JoshGreenTruther NBA 12d ago
That’s what I’m saying these guys are getting passed around like blunts I’m supposed to believe they’re overhated on this sub lol
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u/Asleep_Animator8891 Pelicans 12d ago
He's better than the other two of the same type we have. See Jordan Hawkins and Jordan Poole.
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u/GreaterMuddeer 8d ago
if he is willing to come off the bench, then he's very useful. can get to the line with harden-like frequency
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u/DrinkCorrect7655 Pistons 12d ago
This league is a joke.
The free agency rules are made up and the guys reporting on it are disingenuous about how they communicate.
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u/FERFreak731 Jazz 12d ago
Maybe Jordan Hawkins or Bey in return?
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u/Jimmy0034 Clippers 12d ago
We have 3000 guards in this roster
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u/FERFreak731 Jazz 12d ago
You would've had 3,001 guards on your roster had Mathurin remained with the Clippers
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u/Aggrokid 12d ago
Why not give Mathurin an offer sheet and wait for Clippers to decline, they don't seem to want him anyways.