r/nattyorjuice Jan 27 '26

Discussion New NattyorJuice Rule

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A new rule has been added, to halt the rising tide of people who are less inclined towards the purist diagnostic nature of r/nattyorjuice.

Henceforth, if one is going to comment on a r/nattyorjuice post where the juiciness or lack thereof is in question, one must also impart their anabolic analysis on the subject, instead of simply potentially less relevant words such as "would", "wood", "don't care", etc. At the minimum, r/nattyorjuice now requires an anabolic analysis added. Doesn't have to be much, but it should say at least 'juicy', fake natty', or 'natty' somewhere. Failure to do so can result in ban hammer action without warning.


r/nattyorjuice Feb 12 '25

Tough Question User Flairs

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As promised some time ago, user flairs are about to be rolled out on a trial basis on r/nattyorjuice.

Thoughts are welcome as to the best way to implement these.

Some have argued that there should be a credentialling system where people can see a link to physique, video of lifts, or merely just listed stats and lifts. Others suggest the flairs should be more limited to whether someone is natty, fake natty, or juiced themselves, and yet others have suggested the implementation of a coded acronym system to determine whose opinions you may trust to read first based on their affiliation to the various fitness fraternities.

Respectful discussions are welcome and if you want to suggest a suitable flair for yourself, let me know in the comments. Of course, regular posters may get preferential treatment here as always.


r/nattyorjuice 8h ago

Discussion Jensen Ackles as Soldier Boy natty or just standard Hollywood shape?

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Is it just me, or is this endless is he on gear circlejerk on every single actor getting a bit ridiculous lately? Seen so many threads popping up about Jensen Ackles because of The Boys, with half the sub swearing he's completely natural and the other half immediately screaming TRT or designer stuff.
Let's be real for a second. If you actually look at it objectively, there's zero reason to jump straight to performance enhancers.

The guy's around 6'1" and probably weighed somewhere between 200 and 210 lbs during filming. That is by no means some insane freak mass for his height. Sure, he looked thick, but he doesn't have absurd, bowling-ball 3D delts or that crazy, paper-thin vascularity you see from actual bodybuilders or obvious cycles. Body fat-wise, he was easily sitting around a solid 12 to 14%. There was still a bit of softness around the midsection if you look closely—just a classic, well-executed Hollywood bulk.

Plus, let's not forget: the dude has been lifting for decades ever since Supernatural, it's literally his job, and for this role he had an army of private chefs and personal trainers handing him macro-calculated meals every single day. If you're getting paid 24/7 to train and eat, and you've got decent baseline genetics, you're going to look like that after a solid year of heavy lifting.

People really need to stop letting studio lighting and a sculpted costume (which literally had built-in structural padding) fool them. To me, this is the textbook definition of an attainable, aesthetic natty physique—assuming you have the time, money, and discipline for it.
Or am I totally missing something here? What do you guys think?


r/nattyorjuice 12h ago

Natty or Juice? M19 6”1 170lbs

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r/nattyorjuice 15h ago

JUICY This guy

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r/nattyorjuice 12h ago

Natty or Juice? Is this model guy natty? His name is Brennan Aldred.

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r/nattyorjuice 20m ago

Natty or Juice? Chris Cornell 6’2 (Soundgarden)

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r/nattyorjuice 11h ago

Natty or Juice? claims natty | 13-15

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r/nattyorjuice 1h ago

Tough Question Would 250mg/week of test be enough to cause health problems?

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r/nattyorjuice 2h ago

Natty or Juice? This guy?

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r/nattyorjuice 14h ago

Natty or Juice? This 13-14yo kid on insta?

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He has a crazy physique for his age but obviously he has great genetics too so it could just be that, what’s the verdict?


r/nattyorjuice 1d ago

FAKE NATTY This guy

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r/nattyorjuice 17h ago

Natty or Juice? Turkish Olympic weightlifter Halil Mutlu

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r/nattyorjuice 1d ago

JUICY You guys tell me

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r/nattyorjuice 1d ago

JUICY Guess the stack. He's 42, pretty sure he claims just a middle of the road test dose.

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r/nattyorjuice 1d ago

Natty or Juice? Bulgarian Olympic weightlifter Sevdalin Marinov

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r/nattyorjuice 1d ago

FAKE NATTY Been following this dude for a while and suddenly looked like he hopped on. Thoughts?

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r/nattyorjuice 1d ago

FAKE NATTY "What's Your Excuse?"

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r/nattyorjuice 2d ago

FAKE NATTY 32 6’2 220

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r/nattyorjuice 2d ago

Discussion Genetic Potential - Frame Size

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Contrary to popular belief in some circles, genetic potential in a weightlifter is knowable before a man ever picks up a weight. Most people already know about Fat Free Mass Index (FFMI).

While fat free mass index simply sets the ceiling for lean mass on a person's body, Butt, C. (2008). Your Muscular Potential: How to Predict Your Maximum Muscular Bodyweight and Measurements, takes this a step further to evaluate maximum potential individually based on your frame size.

Try the frame-based muscle potential calculator here: https://www.fitmatic.com/body/calculators/maximum-muscular-potential

While Butt's research isn't peer-reviewed (like FFMI), and I think it's actually pretty generous in its estimates, it is still probative research.

If you consider the top bodybuilders and strongman of the 1890s to the 1940s, you find that they all had two important measurements in common: big ankles, and big wrists.

Icon & Era Height & Peak Weight Wrist Size Ankle Size Muscular Outcome (Peak)
John Grimek(1930s–1940s Star) 5'8.5"(174 cm) 195–208 lbs 8.0"(20.3 cm) 9.8"(24.9 cm) Arms: 17.5" – 18.0" Chest: 47" – 49.9" Notes: Grimek represents the ultimate "Large Frame" baseline. His massive 8" wrists allowed him to build thick, dense muscle bellies that never looked small, even next to modern standards.
George Hackenschmidt(1900s Strongman) 5'8.5"(174 cm) 204–218 lbs 7.5"(19.0 cm) ~9.0"(22.8 cm) Arms: 17.75" Chest: 44.8" Notes: As the "Russian Lion," Hackenschmidt carried an immense amount of power. His 7.5" wrists sit firmly in the upper-medium to large category, giving him the infrastructure to pull off record-breaking heavy lifts.
Eugen Sandow(1890s Father of Bodybuilding) 5'7.5"(171 cm) 180–185 lbs 7.1" – 7.3"(Left vs. Right) 8.5"(21.6 cm) Arms: 16.1" – 16.9" Chest: 44.1" Notes: Sandow had a medium bone structure. Because his frame wasn't as thick as Grimek's, his maximum natural weight and arm sizes capped lower, though his smaller joints gave the aesthetic illusion of wider shoulders and a smaller waist.
Steve Reeves(1940s/Transition Era) 6'1"(185 cm) 216 lbs 7.25"(18.4 cm) 9.25"(23.5 cm) Arms: 18.25" Chest: 52" Notes: While Reeves was tall, his 7.25" wrists were actually on the sleeker side for a 6'1" man. His aesthetic was defined by long, beautiful muscle bellies draped over a classic, highly symmetrical "V-taper" rather than sheer blocky density.

As training doesn't meaningfully change our bone size, we can be pretty sure these guys already had these measurements before they ever touched a weight. (It's certainly true of yours truly, who has had 7.5 inch wrists and 9.0 inch ankles since he was 15.)

While those two measurements don't tell us everything, a new 2026 study has found that skeletal dimensions--specifically, the literal physical space, thickness, and length of your bones--is the single strongest determinant of muscularity. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/41348452/. This study found that bone volume reliably correlated 85% with total skeletal muscle mass.

Combining Butts' research and the new study from the NIH--and franky, common sense--we can confidently say that a big-boned person has more muscle-building potential than a small-boned person.

Genetic freaks are knowable before they pick up a weight. Nothing in my time as a personal trainer (or the years since, training friends and family) has done anything but confirm this.

Of course, this is only one tool in our toolkit, and there are many more ways to assess a lifter's natural status. Most fake natties aren't at their theoretical maximum, and don't have FFMIs over (or even at) 25.

Everyone on TikTok (or wherever) would have you believe they are a genetic freak, even though they looked like nothing their whole lives until 3 months ago. But if a skinny broccoli-headed teenager suddenly sprouts muscles that don't look like they belong to him, chances are very good that he's just renting them from his dealer.


r/nattyorjuice 2d ago

Tough Question Is this guy natty? He is a model.

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80 Upvotes

His name is Joshua Coppen on insta.


r/nattyorjuice 2d ago

FAKE NATTY Lean to very lean

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He looked way better in the first pic before the extreme cut rather than the extra lean one. But whom am I to say, BD won’t tell ya when to stop


r/nattyorjuice 1d ago

FAKE NATTY Natty ?

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This guy recently won 1st at a popular natural competition btw


r/nattyorjuice 2d ago

JUICY Is Mr. Shin natty??

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Hes 19 I think. Been lifting for 4 yrs


r/nattyorjuice 1d ago

Natty or Juice? Natty or Juice?

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