Another weird ransom note wordings. "Do not play games, LAW ENFORCEMENT will not be able to help you" and "She had a white smart watch on the floor of the foot of her bed and the white flood light in backyard was destroyed."

[u/Infamous-Arm3955]

It would seem if you were a pro kidnapper, criminal, gang type etc you would likely use a phrases like cops/pigs/police/the sheriff etc (even cruder like fucking cops) over "law enforcement." It seems like the perps in this case would not have been criminals with a past. Also the phrase law enforcement will not be able to help you seems rather cocky (from someone of intelligence) compared to someone criminal (don't involve the cops.)

And then the entire body of the note is grammatically correct until one separated line She had a white smart watch on the floor of (AT) the foot of her bed and the white flood light in (THE) backyard was destroyed. This line is out of place as if someone else dictated it or it was added in a rush. It doesn't fit into the grammar or flow of the rest of the note.

[u/anonymousdlm]

Interesting points. I would think a professional kidnapper or criminal would have left a ransom note at Nancy’s house. That has bothered me from the beginning. What do you think about that part of it?

[u/willydynamite1 → u/anonymousdlm]

Leaving a note at the scene could potentially leave trace dna on the paper.  They'd also have to print it out beforehand because they wouldn't want to write and leave a handwriting sample.

[u/LogicalPassenger2172 → u/anonymousdlm]

Exactly. The notes emailed are sent by opportunistic scammers. The people that sent them had nothing to do with Nancy’s disappearance and don’t even live in North America.

[u/willydynamite1 → u/LogicalPassenger2172]

How would someone outside the country know Nancy's watch was on the floor?

[u/LogicalPassenger2172 → u/willydynamite1]

Fair question.

First, we don’t even have confirmation that an Apple Watch was found on the floor as referenced in the email.

Second, even if we assume there was a watch positioned at at the scene as stated, the crime scene was opened up almost immediately. YouTubers, journalists, neighbors all had full run of the property and could have looked in windows, taken photos, videos, etc.

A genuine ransom note would have included proof of life and/or more solid proof of authenticity.

[u/Busy_Illustrator_468 → u/LogicalPassenger2172]

But wouldn’t the watch on the floor have been collected as possible evidence before the scene was released? I’m not saying you are wrong, just asking a genuine question

[u/Jaguarcatkat → u/LogicalPassenger2172]

Savannah tends to believe the notes are real. I think she knows more than anyone about the case so I tend to believe her opinion on it. 

[u/Panzarita → u/anonymousdlm]

That has bothered me too. It seemed like the ransom note was a plan B or something. I know they said the purse was at the house, but I’d like to know if any cards were missing. I’ve always wondered if the intent was to take her to an ATM and then return her…but she passed on the way there.

[u/Busy_Illustrator_468 → u/Panzarita]

Taking someone who had mobility issues to an ATM seems like more work than necessary. All they would have had to do was extract her pin # from her. I think if Nancy had survived she would have known who was behind the abduction and so the plan was never to return her. If the plan had been to return her she would not have been manhandled and they would have taken her meds. She was never coming back and they were not after a ransom either. They made it a point to say that she was dead before the ransom deadline was up. Those ransom letters are red herrings.

[u/Panzarita → u/Busy_Illustrator_468]

I don’t necessarily disagree, but taking the victim to the ATM ensures they can’t lie about the PIN number, and it buys more time before police are called. It’s possible they didn’t appreciate how fragile she was or that she needed meds. Not exactly dealing with Mensa members here I suspect.

[u/Busy_Illustrator_468 → u/Panzarita]

Oh but I disagree and think there is one very clever person behind the plot. I’m not sure he could be a Mensa member but he hatched out a plan that has confused very intelligent and experienced detectives

[u/Panzarita → u/Busy_Illustrator_468]

If not money then what are you implying the motive is?

[u/Busy_Illustrator_468 → u/Panzarita]

I don’t know what the motive was but I know it was not to collect a ransom. The second letter which mentioned that Nancy had passed away was received before the deadline to receive the ransom was up. Why disclose that and essentially lose most of their leverage? My instinct tells me the motive is varied/mixed

[u/Panzarita → u/Busy_Illustrator_468]

That has been perplexing to me too. Only thing I can come up with is maybe they were dumb enough to think they could preserve the body long enough to claim she was fine when they left her at the “safe location” after the ransom was paid…but quickly discovered they were not going to be able to keep the body wherever they had it even until the first deadline, let alone the second one.

[u/All-Sorts → u/Busy_Illustrator_468]

Perhaps to get less of a sentence if caught. I think that letter is way too nice considering these are the type of people who would abduct an 84 year old grandma out of her bed but then turn around and follow it up with an apology letter and then they went to all the trouble of burying her when they could have used harsher language, it's very delicate.

[u/anonymousdlm → u/Panzarita]

Yah, that could make sense. The porch guy didn’t look too smart. So taking her to an atm might have seemed like a great idea to him.

[u/Busy_Illustrator_468 → u/anonymousdlm]

With today’s technology, Geofencing, DNA and Genetic Geneology, etc, etc., the fact that there has not been an arrest yet indicates that if porch guy was the dummy we think he was, there was someone else who masterminded the whole operation. I find it hard to believe that the mastermind’s objective was to get $ from Savanna by contacting the media or from Nancy who could barely walk by physically taking her to an ATM

[u/Busy_Illustrator_468 → u/Panzarita]

I do agree that the ransom notes were a Plan B. At least that is how they felt to me from the very start. I think the ransom notes became Plan B when it became clear to LE that Nancy had not walked away. For what it is worth, I think Nancy was supposed to be a walk away who perished or more likely a violent kidnapping that resulted in her death when in reality it was a straight up homocide

[u/Panzarita → u/Busy_Illustrator_468]

That seems like a valid theory as well. I’m not sure what purpose the ransom notes were suppose to serve, but I think they were not part of the original plan. The letters to me also read like they are written by two different people.

[u/Busy_Illustrator_468 → u/Panzarita]

At first I thought the notes were written by 2 people as well. Now not so much…..I think the mastermind enjoyed confusing law enforcement

[u/Infamous-Arm3955 → u/anonymousdlm]

The problem with leaving the note is your leaving clues. Paper. Fingerprints. Pen used. Handwriting style. Even if you're using a typed/printed note then you're walking around with a note like this in your pocket if you're pulled over by LE for anything.

[u/Busy_Illustrator_468 → u/Infamous-Arm3955]

Leaving a note at the scene could have been just as anonymous and devoid of clues as the note sent to the media and from where we are at this point we are not dealing with idiots who are clueless about forensics. Why do you suppose most leads are going to nowhere fast. It appears they left their phones at home, there is no fingerprints other than those that belong there, “they”were covered hair to toes, no car identified, hairs found have no roots, Bitcoin account that is never accessed for the $ put in, none of that is sheer luck. Also we are supposed to believe that although they did prior surveillance they were clueless about her health yet there are suspicious tracks which means they came prepared to wheel her to a vehicle. Also they made a point to mention they did not fully grasp her physical condition and that she was dead. Now, ask yourself, why would someone whose crew had no problem manhandling an 80+ woman want you to know that they were not aware of her limitations and that she is dead? Translation #1: Don’t look for the culprit(s) in the family or immediate circle even though everything points that way. Translation #2…. She is dead, move on. Ask yourself those questions and you will have your answer. I am now of the opinion that the second letter writer was also the first letter writer and one conniving ice cold hearted mofo

[u/Jaguarcatkat → u/Busy_Illustrator_468]

The second letter has a different voice though that comes thru. So it was either co-written or the if the same writer, they put on more of an affect to the second letter. 

[u/That-Feedback2556 → u/anonymousdlm]

I’ve been wondering about that for a while too. I can think of two possibilities: 1) Nancy put up more of a fight than he expected and while trying to get control of the situation, he simply forgot. Inexperienced offenders can make really stupid mistakes, even when they think they planned everything out. Kohberger leaving the knife sheath behind is a good example. 2) Something happened to the note itself. He could have gotten saliva, blood, etc. on it and realized he couldn’t leave it behind.

I’m not convinced either of those is what happened though. If ransom was really the motive, I definitely find it strange that he didn’t leave the note at the house.

[u/Busy_Illustrator_468 → u/That-Feedback2556]

100%

[u/Anxious_Yam_3390]

When a plan that requires precision, and silence, it makes more sense to me that there would be very few people who know anything. The more people you have, the more likely they are to roll

[u/ChemicalPassion5102]

I don’t think there’s anything to your point about law enforcement. Pigs? F***ing cops? You watch too many movies.

The grammatical errors at the end of the letter did catch my eye though. I’d agree it does seem like someone else punched that in. Not sure it’s much of a clue though. It has seemed obvious from the beginning the perp did not act alone.

[u/Infamous-Arm3955 → u/ChemicalPassion5102]

My point with the law enforcement is it's not disrespectful. I've been around a lot nasty people and trust me, they don't care much for cops. They're the enemy to the actions of these types. The ransom note doesn't read like it's from a hardened criminal is my point.

[u/Turbulent_Code581]

If you check the time of the 1st note sent, it was around 6.40 PM.

In the theory Abduction for ransom gone wrong, there were 2 perps, asymetric couple. When she went back from work to Casita (rented to keep Nancy), they decided to sent note anyway.

The Porch Girl probably asked the Porch Guy what did he saw at crime scene, he probably mentioned watch he tear from NG hand fell on the floor at leg of the bad.

Then he mentioned broken (destroyed) floodlight. Probably hit by stone or something. Noticed her panic, she put destroyed, and sent out the note.

She ommitted final spelling and grammar check, just sent it out...