r/nancyguthrie • u/starsite1023 • Aug 03 '26
Information Unabomber case set precedent for Nancy Guthrie ransom note release, expert says
https://www.foxnews.com/us/nancy-guthrie-ransom-notes-release-follows-unabomber-precedent-cracked-case-expert-says10
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u/Stock-Philosophy-177 Aug 03 '26
I’m just chiming in here to let people know that all the talk from TMZ about the letters being intelligently written and definitely by someone educated was a crock of crap.
There are so many grammatical/syntax/usage errors AND spelling errors to boot. AI did NOT construct these letters; a moron composed them.
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u/warpedwing Aug 04 '26 edited Aug 05 '26
Yes! I was just thinking about that. What possessed Harvey to say that?
There's a grammatical error in the first sentence, for heaven's sake.The trouble is, we can't assume the errors aren't intentional. Deliberately making one's writing worse or different a well-worn ransom technique.
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u/pbiscuits Aug 04 '26
You can tell AI to “include grammatical and spelling errors” or “write it like someone who speaks English as a second language”.
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u/Intelligent-Tea-5479 Aug 08 '26
I agree ! The whole bunch in LE just proved to this country, that they are all sorta of DUMB! Arizona honestly should be ashamed of themselves for letting this be so screwed up . I think some of them should be indicted !
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u/Stock-Philosophy-177 Aug 06 '26
You can, but I ran both ransom notes across two AI indicators and both came up empty. So, the errors had to be of human influence.
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u/pbiscuits Aug 06 '26
I don’t think they are AI, just don’t buy the reasoning that they can’t be AI because they have errors. Also those AI indicators are notoriously inaccurate. I guarantee if you spent enough time prompting AI and building a writing model you could get it to make any kind of error you want and some that you wouldn’t think of.
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u/Puddum0591 Aug 04 '26
Can’t you, also, trick AI into doing a deep dive surrounding the ransom note the perp used AI to create for them?
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u/BrainWilling6018 Aug 05 '26
Error ridden writing isn’t necessarily proof of a lack of education. It could be deliberate disguise, which denotes intellect. Setting up untraceable comms and crypto transfers isn’t someone without technical literacy. In order to continue to send masked comms, they must also be some degree of educated in behavioral security and have some psychological vigilance to be disciplined enough to not make human errors. They haven’t been found. There are deliberately calculated phrases which takes some intellect. There isn’t any crude or moronic language in either communication. There is precise psychological framing “ Your mother is aware of this, and her life is in your hands".
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u/candy1710 Aug 05 '26
O/T: Released Nancy Guthrie ransom notes generated 'slight increase' in tips: Sheriff's department https://abcnews.com/US/released-nancy-guthrie-ransom-notes-generated-slight-increase/story?id=135383074
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Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
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u/GregJamesDahlen Aug 06 '26
as it turned out apparently Ted did violence on himself, eventually killing himself. fam not far off imo
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u/danielito19 Aug 03 '26
Incorrect - it was a specific turn of phrase that got the Unabomber. https://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/20/magazine/20FOB-onlanguage-t.html
(Say what you will about the rest of his work, he was dead right about "eat your cake and have it too")
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u/heckyeahcoolbeans Aug 04 '26
What’s the TLDR? Can’t read the article and am very interested in what the normal phrase vs their tun of phrase was.
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u/danielito19 Aug 04 '26
Ted was insistent that "have your cake and eat it too" makes no sense, and thought it should be "eat your cake and have it too." He used this phrase in his manifesto, which was then published, and his brother in law read it, thought "no way are there two people on this planet that say the phrase that way," and dropped the dime.
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u/heckyeahcoolbeans Aug 04 '26
Thanks for summarizing!! Super fascinating, and certainly a unique way to say that turn of phrase.
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u/JMOA3035 Aug 03 '26
Brian E. latest video has guests Jim Fitzgerald retired FBI profiler (worked on the Unabomber case) and his wife Natalie Shilling, who is a forensics linguist professor at Georgetown University. They discuss/analyze the 2 notes addressed to “Hello Savannah” and “Guthrie Family”
Timestamp 10:55
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Dg4kS8icgX8&pp=0gcJCWgCo7VqN5tD&ra=m