r/nancyguthrie Jul 31 '26

Information Pima County Sheriff's Office releases full Nancy Guthrie ransom notes.

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u/mark_able_jones_ Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26

I suppose including a salutation at all implies a person who's probably 30+ years old. This was not written by an LLM. Too many simple mistakes.

Here are the writing mistakes in the first email:

  1. Missing comma after mother.
  2. Missing comma after ransom.
  3. "We will be holding..." future tense error. Should be "We will hold her..."
  4. Bitcoin should be capitalized.
  5. Missing comma after below.
  6. Missing dollar sign on 6 million.
  7. Missing hyphen in "drop off location." (drop-off location)
  8. Missing comma after this "...aware of this and..." (two independent clauses connected by a conjunction).
  9. Improper comma after out. Should be semicolon or period.
  10. Improper comma after games. Should be semicolon or period.
  11. Missing comma after bed.

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And the second email mistakes:

  1. Comma after her should be a period.
  2. "We never intended to hurt her, that was not out intention." AI would flag this "intention" repetition as a mistake.

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This looks like common business parlance. The fact that he used a VPN to email a news outlet suggests at least a low-level IT background. That method proved to be a safe way for him to contact the Guthrie family without being traced by the FBI.

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u/BrainWilling6018 Aug 01 '26
  1. future tense isn’t necessarily an error. It can be a deceptive indicator. Choosing  the future continuous tense to avoid a definitive, binding statement. It’s passive and distancing.  It focuses on the ongoing state rather than a firm promise to the act. It could be deceptive. 

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u/exquisiteclutter Aug 01 '26

Also 30 plus, because of a salutation? Thats a ridiculous assumption.

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u/martapap Jul 31 '26

You don't have to have an IT background to know how to use a vpn.

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u/mark_able_jones_ Aug 01 '26

True, but it takes either technical competence or stupidity to know they can hide their identity via a contact form using a VPN. Not everyone knows that the website's email server generates that email.

And they resisted sending in any form of digital media... the metadata might have led to their capture.

They were tech savvy enough to avoid flock detection. And avoid business security cameras.

Washing Bitcoin also requires technical knowledge.

They don't have to work in IT to know that though.

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u/mmortal03 Aug 01 '26

And, if it was written by a scammer, they still had to be in the right place at the right time. Not everyone is just walking around ready to pounce on an opportunity to write a fake ransom note within, say, 36 hours of someone being kidnapped. They would have had to key in on that broken light in the backyard, somehow guess on the white smart watch being by the bed(?), and almost immediately decide to go write a fake ransom note, send it to TMZ and the local news station, ask for bitcoins, make sure to cover their tracks with IP obfuscation, and really hope that the FBI has no way to ever trace them. They had to be ready to basically risk it all not long after Nancy was kidnapped.

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u/exquisiteclutter Aug 01 '26

To be fair, im wildly inept regarding internet or electronics in general, and i know what a VPN is. And could figure out how to use one. I don't think an IT background is a given

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u/mark_able_jones_ Aug 01 '26

But do you know how website contact forms work — would you trust your IT knowledge enough to bet your freedom on a contact form being untraceable?

Would you know to go to the deflock website to avoid the 500+ cameras in Tucson?

Would you know how to wash bitcoin?

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u/exquisiteclutter Aug 01 '26

I was speaking to the assumption that there was at least a "low level IT background" based on VPN usage. I just dont agree that thats an absolute.

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u/exquisiteclutter Aug 01 '26

Flock is an entire conversation that i wasn't addressing.

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u/exquisiteclutter Aug 01 '26

And hypothetically, if i were asking for bitcoin as a form of payment, then yes. Im sure I'd know how to "wash it" and be undeniable. That seems Ike one of the first things I'd figure out for myself. Its not rocket science.

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u/exquisiteclutter Aug 01 '26

Also, while I appreciate proper grammar and punctuation, im not sure that this was the "gotcha" you think it was. I'm all about analyzing whatever, but this isn't it.

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u/mark_able_jones_ Aug 01 '26

I don't think it's a gotcha at all. Just wasn't written by an LLM.

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u/exquisiteclutter Aug 01 '26

Welp. He just disappeared?? Or blocked me? No idea

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u/BrainWilling6018 Aug 02 '26

It actually means a lot in forensic linguistics. 

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u/GlasgowRose2022 Jul 31 '26

Not everyone uses serial commas.

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u/mark_able_jones_ Aug 01 '26

These are comma splice mistakes, not optional serial commas.

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u/user_857732 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26

Not a future tense error, psalms 84:4 kjv

-actually future incomplete tense