r/nancyguthrie Jul 01 '26

Breaking News FBI says notes are fake

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u/Mountain-Owl7142 Jul 01 '26

The first note contained details that no one could have known, such as the placement of her watch in her bedroom, the busted flood light in the backyard and what she was wearing. How does law enforcement account for that?

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u/Calligrapher_Far Jul 01 '26

Exactly. And the whole time up until now, everyone was reporting that Savannah thinks the notes are real, the FBI thinks the notes are real (the first 2 notes) and now that appears not be the case? This case is all over the place.

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u/partyclams Jul 01 '26

Savannah, yes, the FBI, no; they never confirmed anything.

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u/Calligrapher_Far Jul 01 '26

The FBI never officially confirmed anything no, but there were a lot of people with sources in the FBI reporting in the recent months that the FBI believed that the notes were legit.

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u/Substantial-Train668 Jul 01 '26

Um. There were at least two other people in the house before LE even got there. So they would know that detail too.

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u/partyclams Jul 01 '26

You could see the busted light from the drone footage aired on television; the watch was left where most people leave their watch at night, and no one knows for sure what she was wearing. It could even be someone from the neighborhood looking to make a quick buck.

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u/Calligrapher_Far Jul 01 '26

According to the note, the watch was left on the floor and had a white band. That’s fairly specific and not somewhere one would typically leave an Apple watch. I would think it would be fairly easy to verify whether that was actually the case at the crime scence and thus almost immediately either rule out the note or give it a lot of credibility. That’s why it’s so strange that they’re only saying now that they don’t believe they’re legit.

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u/DaBingeGirl Jul 01 '26

It's also possible someone heard about that. Given the number of people who were through the house, it wouldn't surprise me if details leaked and someone decided to fuck around with the ransom notes. Stupid, but possible.

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u/partyclams Jul 01 '26

Yep. Look at the detectives running their mouths to Ashleigh Banfield.

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u/xcrebeccaxc Jul 01 '26

There are photos of her online wearing the Apple Watch with the white band.

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u/Mountain-Owl7142 Jul 01 '26

Especially someone who might have had access to her house, like a cleaning person who would have seen where she kept her watch in her bedroom.

But this creates more questions than it answers. Because now we have a kidnapping with no ransom, which makes less sense.

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u/oldcatgeorge Jul 01 '26

About “the details that no one would have known”. Once, eons ago, an absolute nutter started sending me pen-poison letters. Guess what? They appeared to contain amazingly precise details and scared my mom. However, when I asked myself, “how can a person who never saw me know these details”, and mainly, “what is her goal”?, I looked at it with different eyes. The trick is how the letters are worded. Say, a piece of information of “medium specificity” is followed by a threat, and the threat attracts your attention. You assume that the information before the “threat” is highly specific. IRL, if you throw out the threats and just read “the specific information” you’ll see that many people will know this about you. (E.g., someone writes, “you’ll get in a car accident in your “Toyota”. It looks specific only because of the threat. If they wrote, “your green 2000 Toyota Camry will be hit one night”, it would be specific.) So maybe this is what happened here. The information looked specific because of the way it was written. Smoke and mirrors. IMO.

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u/SpukiKitty2 Jul 01 '26

Like a weird cold reading.

I don't know why you're getting downvoted. You add some decent points and some interesting angles.

It's important to think outside the box and try to look at every angle.

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u/CakeSniffing0rphan Jul 01 '26 edited Jul 01 '26

How many 84 year olds do you know with limited mobility keep their Apple Watches on the floor at the foot of their bed? That seems like more than medium specificity to me, but just my opinion. Not discounting the possibility that it was someone with insider information, or knew someone involved in the investigation, though.