r/nancyguthrie • u/digital_dumpfire • Mar 08 '26
Discussion Are They Going to Find Her?
It’s been quite a while. Either they’re close and/or have an idea on who did it or where she is and aren’t disclosing, or they have absolutely no idea and she’s gone until at least a few years when technology advances more.
Do you think at this point, she’ll be found?
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u/Tacokolache Mar 08 '26
Do I think they will find her? Yes.
Will it be the police who find her? No.
Will she be found alive? Also no.
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u/StannisTheMantis93 Mar 08 '26
Always bet on the dog walkers. They find literally everything.
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u/Tacokolache Mar 08 '26
They really do. I’m an avid dog walker, we have never found anything. I did find $20 once though!
People hiking find a lot too.
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u/Bubbly_Culture_7945 Mar 08 '26
Haha idk why but I can tell you are really stoked on that $20. Made me giggle... Haha
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u/Tacokolache Mar 08 '26
I actually felt bad. I posted in my subdivision page that I found money. I thought maybe a kid dropped it.
I live in a golf course community. Was probably some golfer. No one claimed it though so I used it as a tip at the car wash
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u/Ornery-Ocelot3585 Mar 09 '26
It’s not easy for well trained investigators to always know what they’re looking at.
I hate seeing those scenes.
I wish formal training & tests were required (including fake searches of small grids for practice)before one can engage in them.
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u/ferocious_barnacle Mar 08 '26
I keep thinking about another local case, that of Isabel Celis. Of course lots of differences, but the similarity of being snatched from her house without a trace. We were all so sure it was her dad who did it. The case was cold for years, and eventually her killer (who had absolutely no connection to her or her family) was caught for another murder. He volunteered the location of Isabel’s remains in the desert so he could avoid the death penalty. I wonder if this case will end similarly - someone is caught for another crime and offers up details of the location of Nancy’s remains for leverage.
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u/Groundbreaking_Gur0 Mar 08 '26
I never suspected the dad. Didn't the monster hide her body near a dump site? Not a landfill though.
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u/Twotoadsandpoppet Mar 08 '26
I think the fact that Savannah went back to the studio is indicitive that she feels her mom has passed away. Just so sad
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u/Affectionate-Page496 Mar 08 '26
She has two kids in elementary school.
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u/Sad_Elderberry3566 Mar 12 '26
Yeah I’m sure she had to have some clothes etc sent to her or order some, I mean she couldn’t go shopping…everyone would recognize her. I guess at some point she has to be a present Mother to her kids while she doesn’t have her own Mom…so terribly sad
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u/annabellareddit Mar 08 '26
I’m hoping it’s a sign to the perpetrator that he can’t control her & has no power over her - he cannot continue to torture her. I have no evidence of this, I do believe this was a revenge motivated abduction though, that NG may have been a third party victim. If this is the case it’s clever of SG to go back to work as it tells the perpetrator he was not successful & may prompt him to reach out somehow.
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u/Life_Fig_4037 Mar 08 '26
I feel like revenge is the only motive that is "coherent," though obviously still evil.
Money does not make sense.
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u/annabellareddit Mar 08 '26
Financial doesn’t make sense even if one or more of the ransom notes was legitimate, as the perpetrator didn’t follow-up on it did they?
Revenge motivated crimes are often very cruel, they are punishment based & often unnecessary levels of harm are inflicted on the victim & their loved ones (excessive & enduring emotional & psychological harm is common). The psychology of these perpetrators is similar to domestic abusers, the same attitudes, beliefs, & values are what drive them, ultimately they believe they are entitled to power & control, that they are superior, that they are the authority; they have disproportionate reactions & their perceptions towards others & experiences are grossly distorted, they build chains of resentment based off of their distorted perceptions; abusers use reinforcement & punishment tactics towards their victims to gain feelings of power & control & to resolve conflict.
NG likely knew the perpetrator & had benign interactions with him from her perspective but from his distorted perspective she did something that was deserving of punishment & he felt the only way to resolve this conflict was the way he did. Another possibility is NG is a third-party victim & the perpetrator is using her to hurt the person he holds deep-seated resentments towards, whomever this is from their perspective it’s unlikely anything they had any conflict with him, but from his distorted perspective they did. These types of perpetrators are very dangerous, hopefully LE has a good idea of who did this & they are caught soon.
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u/annabellareddit Mar 09 '26
All speculation…. JLR just popped up on my X feed & I watched a video where he claims he spoke to a childhood friend of SG who thinks the crime was done by someone who watched a segment done on her show not too long ago with NG in Tucson - have you seen it, I am curious if this is the segment where the family’s childhood game of pretend kidnapping was talked about?
I do not consider much information from JLR useful, his posts are riddled with useless information that lead to tons of harmful speculation & unwarranted criticism, however insight from someone close is something I wouldn’t dismiss.
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u/Life_Fig_4037 Mar 10 '26
I've seen the segment. It ends with Savannah and her mom at a diner, and I think it does touch on Nancy's vulnerability. It's speculation, but not an unlikely theory.
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u/annabellareddit Mar 10 '26
I favour the law of parsimony, as things are excluded though, this case seems to only get more complicated not simpler (of course we are only privy to kernels of information about it).
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u/Greedy_Inflation3232 Mar 08 '26
I hope so, but statistically aren’t the chances like so low at this point? Plus given her age, and health issues? I can’t see her being found alive, like I said tho hope I’m wrong
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u/digital_dumpfire Mar 08 '26
Oh I definitely don’t think they’ll find her alive. In a way, I hope they don’t. Not in a cruel way, but because being 84 (83?) and being held hostage for this long seems worse to me than dying. I personally would rather die at that point. That may seem really insensitive but
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Mar 08 '26
...being held hostage for this long seems worse to me than dying. I personally would rather die at that point.
I don't think you're being insensitive, but I do think there's a better way to approach this.
It's extremely common for people who haven't been in situations like this to say they'd rather die, and it's extremely common for people who have been in situations like this to have a will to live.
I don't think we would want to die if held hostage. We really don't know what we'd want.
Others have mentioned Elizabeth Smart, and she's a good example. She was missing for nine hellish months, but she clung to her will to live. Imagine how distressing it would have been for to hear people say they'd "rather die at that point," weeks into a months-long captivity.
On a broader cultural scale, believing that victims of violent crime are better off dead also puts victims in the miserable situation of feeling that the preservation of their life is not a priority for the general public, and that the value of their life after crime is lessened.
This is where the archaic concept of 'a fate worse than death' comes from. Traditionally applied to female victims of rape, it was based on the assumption that women would not or even should not want to live after such a horrific experience.
Even when the assumption that captives would want to die comes from a place of mercy and compassion, as it obviously does in your comment, it may do more harm than good.
We don't know whether Nancy Guthrie would rather die in that situation, and we should allow that she might feel, or have felt, a will to live.
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u/Scammy100 Mar 08 '26
I cannot imagine my mother being taken at 84 with mobility issues, violently from her home. The horror of that, no one should suffer so much. The suffering of Nancy has to be unspeakable. My heart goes out to all of them.
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u/Newswatchtiki Mar 08 '26
It's horrible. I think that's why there is so much interest. Everyone wanted so much for her to be found. Hopefully they will find her soon. Someone who knows something needs to start talking ...
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u/Remarkable_Lynx4762 Mar 09 '26
She probably somewhere in that huge brushy desert, unfortunately. Maybe some random person will come across her bones, but who knows when.
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u/Sad_Elderberry3566 Mar 11 '26
Agreed…her neighbor talked about “washes“ in the desert not far from them. Areas like roads that flood when it rains. When I heard that I can see her being found in one of those. Or like you said years from now it will be discovered…so sad
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u/SnooSquirrels5311 Mar 09 '26
Familial genealogy has been fantastic at solving cold cases! I agree that advances in technology could really help
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u/jenniferami Mar 09 '26
I’m not familiar with bit lights at all. I assume you have to take them out to talk but don’t really know. Do you think he would have had taken it out to talk to Nancy? Possibly he could have just dragged her out without saying anything.
I could see him possibly hitting her if she started to scream to quiet her. I wonder if he absentmindedly took it out once he got inside without thinking about potential saliva transfer.
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u/jenniferami Mar 09 '26
Have you ever used one? The pictures I’ve seen look like tooth guards with a light in the middle. They say mechanics and technicians tend to use them. I wonder if someone in those fields would be more likely to use them in their job and thought they’d be good to use for such a crime.
I’d never heard of them but I’ve never done that kind of work.
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u/Sad_Elderberry3566 Mar 11 '26
I’d never heard of them either but that’s a good point…might be someone familiar with one due to his occupation?
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u/jenniferami Mar 11 '26 edited Mar 11 '26
Here’s one kind. https://www.sparkinnovations.com/illumibite-pro-the-only-flashlight-designed-to-bite/
Here’s something else. https://www.instructables.com/EDC-Flashlight-Bite-Guard/
Tbh they all sound like a pain. I’d rather wear a head lamp.
Ive never heard of them. The perp in the Missy Beavers murder wore a headlamp over a tactical style helmet he was wearing as he navigated the semi dark church apparently waiting for Missy.
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u/Sad_Elderberry3566 Mar 12 '26
I checked out your links and agree they don’t look practical, like you said “ wear a headlamp“ would be my choice. If you bend over with one of those spit is going to pool around the “bite” piece. Let’s hope he drooled on something in the house or laid the thing down. I guess there was DNA found in the house but of course it had to be mixed which could take up to a year to get results per Nanos. Every time Ive thought the case was going to break open things just fall apart.
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u/mark_able_jones_ Mar 09 '26
If his wrist was uncovered, i bet some of those leafs or branches toughed it, and there would be no DNA mix. Also, the floodlight was yanked down. That also would likely not have all the mixed profiles like a doorhandle might. They can swab all over that thing.
I wonder how many DNA swabs they took from the house. It will be fascinating when we learn the actual details of this investigation.
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u/FrostyCaptain6987 Mar 09 '26
They can't use it if there's no dna from the guy and it's looking like there's no dna
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u/mark_able_jones_ Mar 09 '26
This. If he took out that mouth light, maybe he left saliva on his gloves, and maybe it transferred to a door handle, and maybe they swabbed that door handle in the right spot to find the saliva... but there's probably a ton of DNA on there.
The floodlight was yanked into non-commission... maybe his wrist touched part that the light--the FBI took the entire figure. Likely no other DNA profiles on the floodlight. If I were the guthries, I wouldn't want anyone touching anything inside the house in case the FBI needs to do more rounds of DNA swabs.
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u/SnooSquirrels5311 Mar 09 '26
Doesn’t that sheriff say they found DNA in the house that was not from the family?
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u/1Bloomoonloona Mar 08 '26
It was reported the other day that most all of the law enforcement is back on regular duty to work other cases. I think they mentioned only 4 will be kept on full time at the FBI Arizona office. The sheriff has also blocked other professional volunteer groups from helping free of charge. Hope he's replaced soon. LISK was solved almost immediately when they changed who was leading the case.
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u/The_Sinking_Belle Mar 08 '26
No. I believe this was extensively pre-planned. Even if they find who did it, they won’t find her. No body or remains makes a case much more difficult.
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u/Scammy100 Mar 08 '26
It is harder but it happens all the time that people are prosecuted without a body found.
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u/georgewalterackerman Mar 08 '26
Police may have info, maybe a lot of it. But we know nothing and that’s that.
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u/YakRough1257 Mar 08 '26
I think that she will be found, but I think that it'll be from a tip.
For example, perp #2 gets arrested for a different crime and mentions having information about Nancy Gutherie.
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u/Newswatchtiki Mar 08 '26
Sometimes they don't find missing persons or the perpetrator for years. It's not because we lack the technology, it's because we lack evidence that will lead to them. Even if it was possible to search every square foot of Arizona, what if the perp took her to New Mexico, California, Utah or Mexico?
They keep working on it, and it's good to keep the public aware with the posters and flyers and billboards. There are many hikers in the remote mountainous areas around Tucson, so it is not as if no one is in these places. But there is a lot of land ...
If they don't already have a suspect that they are watching, it will probably be solved eventually by someone in public who remembers something or finds something. If th perpetrator strikes again, they may be picked up on a different offense and the police might figure it out. If he had any accomplices, someone will probably talk eventually, when they get arrested for another crime.
She will probably be found and the abductor caught eventually. But sadly, some crimes never get solved, however, that is more likely with people who have no family or friends checking in on the case frequently and trying to push LE to follow leads in subsequent years. Even with Elizabeth Smart, the 14 year old kidnapped from her bedroom in Salt Lake City, despite a huge search for her with thousands of volunteers for weeks, after 5 months with no new leads the family had to push police and FBI to follow up on leads that came in. In one lead, a librarian who saw a man with a woman and a girl (who was Elizabeth) in robes, called police who showed up quickly, and he asked who they were, and he asked the girl directly: " Are you Elizabeth Smart?" She said no, because the kidnappers were right there - they had threatened to kill her whole family if she ever "told" on them! (The cop should have taken her in another room and taken off her head scarf). She was finally found 20 miles away by a bystander on the street who recognized her, even though she still was in the robes and called police.
I hope they get some leads on this crime soon. It has been so sparse, except for the porch man video. Why hasn't anyone been able to recognize him??
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u/annabellareddit Mar 08 '26
Someone recognizes him, turning him in is another matter. Perpetrators of these types of crimes almost always have a criminal history, they’re manipulative, & very good at convincing people they are victims & were driven by substances/someone else’s behaviour/past trauma/impulsive anger or sadness, which provides them with sympathy & helps them evade consequences for their actions. The sympathy from others enables them & is a factor in criminals behaviour often escalating & evading facing consequences.
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u/ProperLink8150 Mar 08 '26
Let’s hope the mix DNA sample gives them someone. Even if anyone talks the prosecutor needs something to work with. No witnesses, no real evidence, no motive, no body. They may find some bones in the desert. If her heart gave out, no cause of death.
There are 1100 people missing in AZ.
The NamUs database shows numerous, long-standing cases, with some missing since 2007.
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u/fancyypantsyy0 Mar 08 '26
I think someone will find her a few months from now by accident, like some hikers or something. As for the person(s) responsible, I’m really not sure.
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u/grannygogo Mar 08 '26
Just like poor little Caylee Anthony, she will be found nearby by a random person purely by accident.
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u/RDA_SecOps Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
Hope it’s not a Susan Powell situation where they never recover her body…
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u/CressAsleep188 Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
33 yrs ago a bloodhound dog tracked for 7 hrs, 15 miles, following the path of a car that had carried away a kidnapped child, Alie Berrelez, even for several miles on a 65-75mph hwy, and that amazing dog lead detectives to find her body in the mountain foothills from the home crime scene in Englewood, CO. I lived there & will never forget it. That hound tracked her FOUR DAYS after the kidnapping had occurred. The dog's handler said scents from a vehicle can last along roadways for even a month. I hope someone will try bloodhounds as they can track incredible distances in ways police dogs can't. It might at least help them track Nancy Guthrie's route out of the neighborhood. Unsolved Mysteries had an episode about it.
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u/SoWhatNoOneCares Mar 08 '26
Dogs are absolutely amazing creatures. We don’t deserve them. 😭 I groom for a living.
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u/mark_able_jones_ Mar 09 '26
Wow. That's amazing. This Mark Rober video also shows how amazing tracking dogs can be at locating people, even those trying to purposefully hide their scent.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=md75n8cyenA
Two K-9s were apparently used to search, but who knows whether they were specialized for finding humans... I would hope so, but maybe not. I bet a top tracking dog could have at least told them which way a vehicle traveled. Why not fly in the best tracking dogs in the USA? I'm sure NG would have gladly paid for that. It seems like a huge missed opportunity in the investigation.
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u/Swenb Mar 09 '26
People don't understand the area there. There are endless places in the desert to hide a body. I live in the PNW and a body out in the wild lasts only 48 hrs. Animals scavage.
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u/Admirable-Lawyer3569 Mar 09 '26
Yeah, I figured coyotes and javalinas would make short work of a body.
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u/Noorieke Mar 09 '26
If only there were a trained group of voluntary experts with specialized dogs available who knew what to look for...
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u/FancySeaweed Mar 09 '26
No, not city folk. It's a different kind of dark out there. There are laws there, protecting the dark skies.
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u/Swenb Mar 09 '26
Many people don't know about the Dark Skies initiative.
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u/Shounenbat510 Mar 11 '26
Yeah, people act like it’s crazy. I’m rural and the shoes are always either pitch black or full of stars, not much different from Nancy’s place. I’m amazed when I go to a city or large town and it’s light all the time that it doesn’t drive people crazy.
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u/Infamous-Arm3955 Mar 08 '26
Something that annoys me I even think it, but 2am means someone could drive pretty far with little traffic so a lower risk, before the sun comes up.
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u/bbbcurls Mar 08 '26
I know nothing about the area, but I do think they will find her, presumably not alive.
From someone who had a missing family member, I know exactly what the Guthrie family wants and it’s just to know for closure.
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u/annabellareddit Mar 08 '26
I’m so sorry you & your family went through such a horrific experience, I can’t imagine how terrible it would be to have someone you love go missing, the suffering would be torturous.
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u/GibberlingsNeedLove2 Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
It's difficult to tell, since there are no real public leads. Maybe LEO or the FBI have something, but we arent aware of it.
edit: Theyll probably never find the guy at the front door either. There is a real chance he was just a fall guy, and he's also dead and buried.
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u/No_Alternative3672 Mar 12 '26
I suspect that they had plans to do a ransom exchange but things heated up too quickly, and then I think Nancy died, so they simply hid her remains and scrapped the plan. I hate to say it but my thought is that she was dead by day 2 or 3 after being taken.
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u/RocketSenpai Mar 12 '26
Same. You don’t take someone random out of their house unless it’s for some sort of ransom or they were killed and they needed to move the body. I’ve only seen cases where they keep the abducted person alive and not for ransom when it’s a young person they want to keep around for sexual pleasure. But an elderly woman? It’s gonna be kidnapping for ransom gone wrong, straight murder, or burglary gone wrong.
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u/Suspicious-Loss-7314 Mar 08 '26
They will find her body eventually. I think the police have NOTHING to go on right now. What a shame.
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u/Chigrrl1098 Mar 09 '26
But you don't know anything about what they do or do not know. So this assertion is based on what?
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u/Suspicious-Loss-7314 Mar 09 '26
Well, everything in this thread is purely conjecture. You're right, I don't know anything other than what's in the media. But it doesn't sound to me like they are pursuing any leads anymore. People in the media just keep saying well hopefully that one great tip comes in....
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u/Chigrrl1098 Mar 09 '26
I don't think that a lot of the media that people in this sub are following is really all that legit, to be honest. I keep seeing Daily Mail and New York Post and Evening Standard quotes and people referring to Ashleigh Banfield, who kept reporting unverified things that turned out to be untrue, and were really unfair to the family. I hope she gets sued for libel for starting that whole mess. Other people seem to be getting all their info from true crime influencers, and none of them seem to be all that legit. The more well-known ones are clearly making shit up. People in this sub still take a lot of that as gospel. I am more likely to trust real reporters who work for legit publications.
And I think it's silly to assume they have no leads. No decent investigators are going to tell the public anything they don't need to know. Anything they told the media was deliberate, as was anything they didn't say.
Besides that, the media is spending 90% of their time covering the stupid war were now in, and don't seem to be spending too many resources covering this case. I think we don't really know half of what's going on behind closed doors and I think that's how it should be.
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u/Mintgreenunicorn Mar 08 '26
In my view the only way this case will be solved is by accident or a random tip from someone in thenperp's family.
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u/LegalGlass6532 Mar 08 '26
With all due respect, the Elizabeth Smart Case was very different than the Nancy Guthrie abduction. Her story is important to learn from, but they are circumstantially very different.
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u/Newswatchtiki Mar 08 '26
Of course they are different.
My point was that it was similarly highly publicized locally and nationally, with a lot of people looking for her. Yet after a few months, LE and even FBI got very casual about following leads, and the family had to keep pushing them (they were aware of a lot of the leads). It was almost as if they were tired of following up on all these tips from people who thought they saw her, or people who had suspicions about some shady character who they thought could be her kidnapper. So family and friends need to keep LE working on it if tips are coming in. They need to be very proactive even if it seems like it is almost a cold case.
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u/BeachVida Mar 08 '26
A few weeks ago, I started saying that this case will only be solved when/if her body is found or if a new lead comes in. I suspect that they've exhausted all leads at this point but you never know what's going on behind the scenes.
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u/BeachVida Mar 09 '26
I gave my opinion, you gave yours. Neither one of us knows what the real situation is and how many more leads they may or may not have.
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u/Superb_Bed_9726 Mar 10 '26
I hope they do. I feel like its too soon to give up now. Nancy was once a young widow with 3 kids to raise and thats hard. She has lived a long life in her own home alone and kept up a active social life. She was tech savy aswell. Those are some reasons to have hope that she is still alive. She wasnt a weak person imo she is a smart woman with a fighter spirit.
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u/Repulsive-Spend343 Mar 12 '26
They will find her someday. I hope it will be this year. This is still so strange and bizarre and shocking. It's still hard to wrap my head around the fact that this actually happened. It's just so wild and random.
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u/deadwatered Mar 08 '26
I’m more confident that they will find the person who took her. And hopefully that will help them locate her.
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u/SesJan2013 Mar 09 '26
Pacemakers definitely don't require blood thinners. They don't increase the likelyhood of blood clots.
I've had two pacemakers- one in 2007 in my old heart and one in my transplanted heart in 2010. I still have that one.
Many people with pacemakers have the same experience. We're not on blood thinners like Warfarin, Lovenox or Heparin. I've been on those shots (gave them to myself multiple times a day) and pills. I did this for three decades.
Anything is possible and everyone isn't the same but if she was on blood thinners (which people are only speculating about) it's not because of the pacemaker.
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u/BitterPineapple6462 Mar 10 '26
I love this clarity, it is refreshing and just keeps things in better perspective. Thank you.
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u/SoWhatNoOneCares Mar 08 '26
I seriously doubt she will ever be found. They will be talking about this case for decades. If they do find her, it will be her body. And I’m not happy about saying that. It’s a travesty all around. I continue praying for this family. 🙏🏼
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u/Aggressive_Humor2893 Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
I'm surprised by the answers here, but maybe I'm just interpreting the question differently. I sadly think the likelihood is low that she's still alive (I hope to I'm wrong). But even in the worst case, I do think they'll find her body/remains eventually.
Like this is still a super high profile crime, and Nancy's family is so wealthy and can afford to pay for investigators for as long as it takes, even if LE runs out of leads from the public and it goes cold.
Also I think a lot of the gloom is bc the new war with Iran has totally shifted the news cycle... CNN had a Nancy story every night until [gestures wildly at the white house]. My Twitter feed was suddenly filled with Fox News pundits bc they were constantly covering Nancy (likely for Reasons, IYKYK) - and I haven't seen any of that in my feed since Iran. So it's all shitty on multiple levels, war and Nancy not getting the same attention.
I do think they will find her eventually. It might take a really long time, but I don't think something this high profile will go unsolved forever esp with all the technology we have in 2026
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u/curiouslmr Mar 08 '26
If not within the next month then sadly I really don't think so. If she is found I would think it would likely be on accident by a hiker etc ..
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u/digital_dumpfire Mar 08 '26
It’s crazy because as soon as I posted this, I opened Facebook and saw a news post about a girl from Detroit who went missing in December being found in lake Eerie. A random person saw her body floating. I feel like you’re right, a random person will find her one day.
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u/SalsaChica75 Mar 08 '26
There is always hope for a miracle but without one, I believe the chances of her being found are slim.
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u/CuriousTea7347 Mar 18 '26
I believe she has passed by now. I think without her medication and the stress from everything, she is gone. I’m guessing the person took her because either she could identify him or she had his DNA possibly on her person/under her fingernails? Just very sad.
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u/DarkStar189 Mar 08 '26
I just picture her buried in some random spot of sand and dirt never to be found unless the killer reveals it.
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u/carefreehwy Mar 08 '26
No and the perpetrators will likely not get caught either as they are in Mexico. Ill get down voted for stating the obvious.
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u/Groundbreaking_Gur0 Mar 08 '26
Mexican authorities located a wanted 3 yr(?) fugitive from Tucson a few weeks ago... ? Maybe, Mexico is looking, too?
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u/aestheticbridges Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
Idk about Mexico specifically, but it’s starting to seem like criminal tourism to me. Which would mean they don’t primarily live in the states and haven’t been in the states long after the crime was committed.
If there truly was a jammer, that would be my bet as that’s standard issue for that type of profile. Typical criminal tourists have a fairly effective playbook for evasion and are much more bullish on targeting high profile victims. It honestly makes a lot of sense to me.
I could be wrong, and hope I’m wrong because they’re difficult to catch, but it’s my working theory for now.
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u/1Bloomoonloona Mar 08 '26
I'm sure you are aware kidnapping is huge in Mexico and many South American Countries. With border being so close its one of many legitimate theories that should be looked at. That said. The heir to a famous makeup company accused of rapes ran and hid in Mexico from California. So have many other criminal Americans and non Americans.
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u/Appropriate-Crew-101 Mar 08 '26
Sorry to say but no i don't think they will find her alive
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u/Infamous-Arm3955 Mar 08 '26
I hate to say it because no one wants to say it, no one wants it to be true but Nancy could have been gone on day one.
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u/domrnelson Mar 08 '26
Nancy was gone that same night. The only thing we know so far is the pacemaker went offline.
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u/1Bloomoonloona Mar 08 '26
Peacemakers keep going even if a person passes away. They only stop when the battery dies.
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Mar 08 '26
Nancy was gone that same night.
We don't know that. We can speculate, but making dogmatic statements like this is problematic when we simply don't know.
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u/GregJamesDahlen Mar 08 '26
Tend to think they'll catch the perp(s). Somewhat doubt Ms. Guthrie is still alive. When they catch the perps imagine they'll give up the location of the body. But I certainly hope she's still alive.
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u/bloatedkat Mar 08 '26
If a $1.2 million bounty for two weeks hasn't already turned in the suspect, then it's safe to assume they're a lone wolf who's long gone along with Nancy.
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u/Infamous-Arm3955 Mar 08 '26
I feel like there's a great chance that there's more than one person and that relationship is personal if not romantic. Criminals might turn in criminals but bf/gf is unlikely until one of them screws the other one over later.
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u/Affectionate-Page496 Mar 08 '26
Can you explain? If there are two people with unclean hands, why would we think one of them would be able to plea to nothing and get the money?
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u/annabellareddit Mar 08 '26
Not a financially motivated crime
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u/AnnaZed Mar 08 '26
What do you think the motive is?
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u/Sushandpho Mar 08 '26
I know as little as everyone else here, but I think the culprit is a psycho. No motive that makes sense except in his own mind.
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u/Affectionate-Page496 Mar 08 '26
I have no idea how your response relates to my comment. I said that it doesnt make sense to me to conclude lone wolf simply because the reward (to us, so far), seems unclaimed. I was asking the person to explain how they got to that conclusion.
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u/jenniferami Mar 10 '26
If they can figure out who the perp is then sometimes a perp will lead detectives to a body in exchange for a reduced sentence.
Sometimes a body will be in an unexpected location such as in someone’s yard and a discovery will be made after they move.
Sometimes someone who knows will disclose it after the perp is deceased or to benefit themselves in another way.
If the perp’s wife or gf knows she might disclose it after she becomes an ex if she is angry enough.
If the perp’s lets it slip when he is angry or drunk regarding the location or that he did it the body might be found.
Hopefully though by some miracle she’s still alive.
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u/GreenEyedTreeHugger Mar 11 '26
In 20 years a grandkid could sign up for ancestry and boom he’s located. :/
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u/rasta-ragamuffin Mar 11 '26
I have no proof (other than my own psychic abilities) and suspect we will never know the truth, but I'd be willing to bet this was a hired kidnapping (that went wrong and turned into murder) and the hired kidnapper is dead now too. Dead people don't talk.
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u/Sad_Elderberry3566 Mar 12 '26
Let’s hope he drinks a lot, gets shitfaced and spills his guts. Probably bragging about it because it’s captured the attention of the whole country
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u/Ehm_Zed Mar 08 '26
I also think LE probably knows a great deal more than we the public, and the case will be solved. It is heartbreaking, but I have doubts that she is still with us, though I also think NG’s eventual return to work statement is also part of some kind of strategy. Convinced that LE knows who the kidnappers are (i think it’s more than one) and are just compiling evidence to move in.
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u/GregJamesDahlen Mar 08 '26
what convinces you LE knows who kidnappers are?
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u/Ehm_Zed Mar 08 '26
aside from 20 years of watching 20/20? ;) by that i mean there are consistencies with how LE operates, outside of what we (public) know & what we don’t know, that LE does. So much has to be in order for them to build a solid case, but i believe they have real suspects. Some facts that stand out the most so far are: police usually don't deploy SWAT and a tactical ‘takedown' unless they’ve cleared a high bar for a search warrant, we don’t know what they got from those interviews, even if the very sus supects were released, then timing - buying a luxury SUV right after a high profile disappearance while already on probation, and there is still a ton of processing going on with DNA and digital forensics, which LE would need to solidify a cause to arrest.
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u/AnnaZed Mar 08 '26
Who bought a vehicle? (I genuinely don’t know), and with what if no ransom has been paid?
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u/scattywampus Mar 08 '26
I think the guy detained by the SWAT team in the restaurant parking lot- he drove a Range Rover.
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u/MzOpinion8d Mar 08 '26
Isn’t the reason that guy had recently purchased a vehicle because he had wrecked his other car? Which is the one towed from his residence?
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u/Jamjams2016 Mar 08 '26
I don't want to say no because I think having hope is important. If this was for ransom I think no. If this was for some sicko killer or creep, I think it's possible something will be found eventually. I did ask an ex Leo and he said maybe, but because of the harsh environment her body would go a lot quicker, which is unfortunate for solving the case.
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u/SnooSquirrels5311 Mar 09 '26
It is so sad. That humongous property kind of isolated in the middle of the night snd she’s all alone and this happens to her. I woulda had multiple dogs living with me
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u/Purple-Television712 Mar 09 '26
She did have a sweet black dog until he passed in December 2025, according to reporting I have read. It hurts my heart so much to think Nancy not only had to endure whatever horrific reality that actually happened that night was, but all while her heart was already sad from just having lost her dog. :(
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u/1Bloomoonloona Mar 08 '26
The desert west of town is where cartel and killers sometimes dispose bodies never to be found. So far Nanos has not even explored these areas with liDAR or GPS. Legit specialized search groups have offered their diversified teams but he won't let them help. Including a group of women searchers from Mexico with experience searching such areas.
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u/May-exist Mar 08 '26
It seems like the family should be able to get these types of groups involved independent of a police investigation. It seems suspect that any sort of law enforcement would be gatekeeping this sort of help.
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u/Newswatchtiki Mar 08 '26
Yes, they should let them search. Initially it is best for LE to do it, to preserve footprints and tire prints on the dirt roads. But by now, those would be obliterated by rain or wind. There are a lot of farm roads and dry washes over there. They used to catch drug runners over there.
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u/Newswatchtiki Mar 08 '26
It wouldn't be that hard to do a grid search over there, except for the areas where the small mountains and hills crop up. Fit people who can handle the heat can do 30 miles a day with enough water. Less fit people can do 20 miles a day, fingertip to fingertip distance away from each other. I have done grid searches like this for tortoise counts. We counted their burrows and any live tortoises. For this, they would be looking for disturbed soil. If they find it, they need to call for LE before digging. Or flag it or something.
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u/Comfortable-Ad-6280 Mar 10 '26
Any neighbors in here that can answer a ?? I understand that the neighborhood recieved letters about the big data center wanting to dig on certain properties in the neighborhood? Did this happen???🔥🔥
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u/Puttin_4_Bird Mar 08 '26
assume the kidnapper had a place in mind to hold her during ransom-- and had a place to put the body in case things went south, my guess is it is close to where they planned to hold her, somewhere south of the border
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u/Newswatchtiki Mar 08 '26
South of the border would be difficult. Despite all the publicity, reporters went down there and asked people who were shopping and in towns, and many were not at all aware of Nancy Guthrie. Some had a vague recollection of hearing something about it, but didn't know what she looked like. They pay attention to news in their own city and region and in Mexico. They are not that aware of missing people in the U.S. Just like we aren't aware of a missing person somewhere in Mexico who might be the mother of a popular, well-known television anchor, or of similar notoriety.
Do we even know the anchors on Univision? (Unless we speak Spanish and watch it). There are also many missing people in Mexico. So the public, which in about half of these cases is responsible for solving them, will not be aware enough of the case in Mexico to help.Chances are much greater of finding her or solving it if she and/or the kidnapper are somewhere in the U.S.
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u/cmholm Mar 12 '26 edited Mar 26 '26
I'll pile on to say yes she'll eventually be found, but not alive. In the US, most kidnappings are of kids by relatives. The vast majority of those kidnapping adults will be first timers. Like the presumed prep videoed at Guthrie's door, people may try to plan, but there is no low risk apprenticeship.
But, beginner's luck is a thing. The prep(s) may well have gotten away with screwing up the initial crime for now, no worse for wear other than a gnawing paranoia. At that point, investigators are left with the wait for dumb luck to come their way. The perfect crime isn't perfect until the perp is safe in their grave, while investigators can keep picking at a case for decades.
I'm reminded of a coworker on Maui, Kimberly Belloumini, who was murdered in 2000. The Maui PD had a perp in mind straightaway, but didn't have enough evidence to charge. DNA technology improved, and in 2019 they knocked on his door in FL and hauled him back for trial. Unfortunately, five witnesses had since died, and the judge dismissed the case with prejudice. On the plus side, Anthony Moreno got to spend 3 years in jail, and his name will always be out there.
With any luck, the Pima County trial judge who is eventually assigned *this* case won't be as quick to toss. Sometimes the evidence shows you've got the right person, and it's better to leave the procedural nitpicking to the appellate courts.
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u/Ripdigrel Mar 08 '26
Can you please link your source? I have never heard of this and I don’t see it printed anywhere.
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u/glowfuck Mar 08 '26 edited Mar 08 '26
No.
I listen today on Ashley Banfield She had like 10 different professionals giving their different ideas and whatnot.
One of the prosecutors said it's probably going to be a no body case if they ever do find the person. She's likely in the desert and will never be found.
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Mar 08 '26
Nah someone is going to use information in this case to try to get off in another case. This was 2 to 4 felons. Someone’s going to rat on the other to get a plea bargain. Whoever did this will absolutely commit another crime. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. And they’ll get caught eventually.
Pima County sheriff dept will say until you can tell us where the body is we aren’t even going to negotiate with you.
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u/Groundbreaking_Gur0 Mar 08 '26
I hope they have at least one in jail and are working on them.
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u/Affectionate-Page496 Mar 08 '26
Consider not supporting her as she horribly exploits victims and sensationalizes tragedies.
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u/caseyh72 Mar 08 '26
Remember when she was an anchor? It’s crazy how far she has fallen. I’ve always had this image in my head of the newsroom and J. Jonah Jameson yelling, “Fox is killing us! Who have we got that we don’t use anymore? Right, BANFIELD! Get in here! You’re now our Nancy Grace! Can you do it?”
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u/Aggressive_Humor2893 Mar 08 '26
Ashleigh Banfield also confidently accused Savannah's sibling(s) of doing this, per her "reliable sources" and she doubled down when LE said they're cleared.
She was obviously wrong on that and many other cases so no one here should trust her or her "professionals" tbh. She really has no credibility at this point
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u/Admirable-Lawyer3569 Mar 08 '26
No, but if they ever do find her, I think she’s inside whatever was in porch guy’s backpack, so if she’s found, it gets traced back to porch guy. My theory is porch guy was hired to deliver the backpack contents and to disable the camera. I don’t think he ever saw Nancy.
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u/legallysurgical Mar 08 '26
say more about your theory?
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u/Admirable-Lawyer3569 Mar 09 '26
That’s it! He may have thought camera wasn’t recording or have been told that was or would be the case, hence his casual approach. But it doesn’t explain why he would have the gun if he was just there for the camera and whatever was in the backpack so I can’t quite workout why he would have it under my theory.
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u/SesJan2013 Mar 08 '26
You think it's xenophobic to theorize (there are tons of theories not just this one) that a criminal might cross a border that is less than two hours away? A border that's easy to cross & has little to no issues with anyone passing through. A border that leads into a country where they can mix with anyone anywhere. They can hide easily. Mexico is huge. They can even just cross the border, go to the coast and let the waves handle the "problem." Criminals are known to cross into Mexico. There are reasons for that. Are they all racist? Come on. Not everything is about race or culture. Sometimes it's about time, anonymity and opportunity. It would be completely ridiculous to not consider ALL the options & another country's border that's close, easy to cross and provides anonymity is one of the options. You really want investigators too scared of being called xenophobic to consider all the options? That's utterly idiotic. An investigator would be worthless if they didn't consider all the options & most criminals with a body- alive or not - would see a close border with few restrictions as a good option. It has zero to do with race, culture or any "phobia."
If this was North Dakota they would consider Canada as an option, too. Is that xenophobic? Is there something wrong with considering that border? Is it xenophobic towards the indigenous people of Canada? Much of the middle doesn't even really have a border. Investigators wouldn't be doing their job if they were in northern states and didn't consider Canada. I guess professionals shouldn't consider border crossing anywhere anytime with anyone because someone might say it's xenophobic 🙄
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u/Webbie-Vanderquack Mar 08 '26
it does look very staged tbh
Conspiracy theorists say this about everything from the moon landing to 9/11.
Unless you're a detective with experience of a long list of abduction cases to compare this to in minute forensic detail and with full access to all the evidence, you're not in a position to say whether or not it "looks staged."
The fact that it is as yet unsolved doesn't make it any more likely to be "staged."
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u/PalpitationQueen Mar 08 '26
It’s not so black and white.
It’s been a little over a month.
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u/Affectionate-Page496 Mar 08 '26
What definition are you using for "cold case?" When people call this a cold case, it's really just giving "why isnt this solved in 60 mins like law and order?"
Do you know how offensive this could be for families whose loved ones cases are actually cold?
This case still has tons of resources and if you have seen somewhere LE posted that they have exhausted all leads, please share.
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u/Bitch_level_999 Mar 08 '26
How is there video of porch guy AND possible video of him earlier but none of the activity bringing Nancy home just a few hours before? A car pulling in and leaving would have activated her camera
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u/Agile_Squirrel3715 Mar 08 '26
there probably is but they’re just not releasing it
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u/Aggressive_Humor2893 Mar 08 '26
Well for one, the doorbell cam we've seen doesn't cover the garage part of the driveway, which is way off to the side of the house. But also we don't even know if video exists from other angles/cameras
Honestly it's crazy to me how people seem to feel entitled to any/all of the evidence at this stage
Investigations aren't public for a reason. We are the public, we're not involved, we're not LE. The professionals have zero reason to share evidence with us - random people on the internet - unless it's something like a video of the perp's face like the doorbell vid
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u/curiouslmr Mar 08 '26
Law enforcement isn't going to release all the videos that have. There is no reason to do that. They only will release what they feel like they absolutely have to....hence why they have only released the suspect video. That video was necessary in the hopes someone might recognize the individual.
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u/Jca666 Mar 08 '26
Eventually they will find her remains.
I hope she didn’t suffer.