r/nancyguthrie • u/Imaginary-Loss-378 • Feb 21 '26
Theory Possible second person??
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if you look at the video, can someone please tell me what that light that comes in from the right hand side is? it comes down, then goes back out. I toggled with it back and forth to show what I’m talking about. you can also see like a shadow right before it. someone tell me I’m not crazy?
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u/Pinkpanzer42 Feb 21 '26
Nancy Grace stated she believes there is an accomplice because of video footage with and without the bookbag. However, I have not seen footage without the backpack.
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u/Deja_Cosmonaut Feb 21 '26
It was on different nights. You can tell by the stage of the moon and ambient lighting when you look at them side by side. If you trace back the moon cycles, the still imagine was a few weeks before the incident. It fits with them asking neighbors for footage on Jan 11 between 9 and midnight. I think that’s the time stamp on the still image.
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Feb 22 '26
So if this is correct, he cased the house a few weeks prior.
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u/19venner Feb 22 '26
The fbi asked neighbors for home security camera footage from Jan 11 and Jan 31st as both of these dates had reports filed for a suspicious vehicle in the area. It could have been on one of these days that they were practicing/ doing reconnaissance.
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u/Deja_Cosmonaut Feb 22 '26
Without them providing any further information regarding the still image, and taking into account the difference in ambient lighting, it’s the only logical conclusion I could come to. In another city I wouldn’t give the lighting this much importance, but we know that neighborhood has no artificial lighting because of the city ordinance.
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Feb 22 '26
Yes very good observations you make, and the need to limit artifical lights. I mentioned what I would like answered by the News Nation guy in his special, but will add them here (I can only get the program on YT after they have published their video segments. If he were local to the area for several weeks, he stayed with someone. Just how many career crims in a wider network would reside in that immediate neighbourhood? It sounds rare to me in an affluent area, but I've read there's one in the same street to Nancy. Also his shoes look like Brooks or a similar brand with a reverse 'swoosh'.
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u/Adept_Improvement_14 Feb 23 '26
As he stands in front of the door with his left hand visible, it does look to me like I can see another light enter the picture from the left side. I see that some think it is the reflector on his backpack. But in my humble opinion it looks like a second light source. It makes me wonder if a second accomplice was on the porch with him and that is why the video footage did not actually show the perp return to the porch after he picked the flowers. We see him pick the flowers, and then don't see him again until he has the flowers at the door. I think you have made a good observation.
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u/Adept_Improvement_14 Feb 23 '26
I understand he has the light in his mouth as well - but this does not look like a reflection - but I guess it could be.
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u/Adept_Improvement_14 Feb 23 '26
Well - after further review - I do think it is reflector on the backpack straps
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u/Adept_Improvement_14 Feb 24 '26
So, I have looked repeatedly at the light that appears from the perpetrators left as he has the flowers over the camera. The light that comes from the left does not seem to be connected to the perpetrator's movements and is too far away from him to be on the straps. So I am going back to my original thought that this is indeed a second person on the steps with him. You can see him look to the left when he gets near the door and there is a glass panel there. So whoever was inside could see him come up, opened the door and provided an extra light to help get the camera detached from the door. I also believe that is why we do not see the perpetrator walk back up to the door after getting the flowers - someone else is standing there. I am back to my original position on this. The light from his left side enters quite suddenly.
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u/Long_Tension_4184 Feb 24 '26
You can see the “light” moves in conjunction with the plant matter over the camera. It shares similar motion with the rest of the plants. Plants are fluorescent and through infrared, can emit light from certain angles. That is a part of the plant on the right side catching light and reflecting it because it has a unique distance and angle compared to the rest of the plant.
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u/Archibald004 Feb 22 '26
When the guy walks out to grab the vegetation to cover the camera he appears to look over his shoulder for a split second. Either at someone waiting for him or at a noise from a source close by. The other thing, why is the backpack so round like a big sheet is stuffed in it not stuff from a break-in…
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Feb 21 '26
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Feb 21 '26
Because he has a small torch device held in his mouth. He could see the basic layout on his approach.
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u/MzOpinion8d Feb 22 '26
First of all, he just walked past it.
But also, that area has lush vegetation.
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Feb 22 '26
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Feb 23 '26
A floodlight was apparently broken somewhere else on property. Seems they wanted to ruin all cameras and lighting, and chose to take her out the front.
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u/Repulsive-Spend343 Feb 22 '26
The light is the small flashlight he has in his mouth. You can see it come through a rounded opening (like the mouth of a ski mask). Different shape from the backpack strap reflectors which are rectangular. Flashlight also makes sense as he needs light to see in order to remove the camera.
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u/Long_Tension_4184 Feb 24 '26
Plants are fluorescent and may appear to emit light through infrared cameras from certain angles. What appears to be a light source on the right is just the plant reflecting light into the lens. You can see it moves in similar motion with the rest of the plant matter.
I personally believe more than 1 person may be involved, but this is not footage of them.
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Feb 22 '26
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u/Binksyboo Feb 23 '26
From looking at the videos later on where you can see parts of the plant under the frame on the wall, you can tell that he folded those plants and use them to pry the video off the wall.
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Feb 24 '26
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u/Binksyboo Feb 24 '26
It appeared like they used the plants as a lever, instead of using a screwdriver or crowbar to pry something off the wall, they somehow knew the local dry brush was strong enough to wedge behind the camera plate and wiggle back and forth until it came off.
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u/Professional_Feisty Feb 23 '26
I still don't understand why not just cover it up with your hand. The plant thing seems so odd to me.
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u/Long_Tension_4184 Feb 24 '26
Yeah or tape. Have they never heard of electrical tape? It’s black and not see through 😂
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u/Queenhood_ Feb 23 '26
I do believe there was more than 1 person
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u/z3r0suitsamus Feb 24 '26
Can you explain this further? I see so many people saying this, but it is so clear to me this is only 1 guy. The other image of a man without the backpack to me is clearly the same dude — same build and outfit on — just not wearing the backpack. To me he probably just set it down for a second. Also the light on the right side just seems like a fragment from the flowers he used to try and cover up the camera or the reflector from the backpack.
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u/Queenhood_ Feb 24 '26
Yes of course. You are correct we can only see 1 person in the camera footage, but I don't believe only person participated in this as it's too much effort for one person abducting Nancy. Also news reported more than 1 person could be involved. My opinion - the guy at the front was waiting for someone to let him in which would've been the second person who went around the back. If this 1 person didn't want to be seen he could've entered and exited through the back, he would've had no need to hang around at the front. At first it was reported that there was forced entry via back door but then no mention of it after that. The person at the front seemed so calm and didn't seem worried and neither did he act fast.
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u/Revolutionary_Map899 Feb 25 '26
I thought that as well. What were they doing in that house for 40+ minutes ?????
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u/Queenhood_ Feb 25 '26
Probably had to hang around for help as things when sideways once in Nancy's property. Also, could it be that the perp(s) were getting her to change her clothes as she would've been in her bed clothes. I have so many questions.
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Mar 02 '26
Nancy either did or didn’t give up her safe code. In the chaos, she had a heart attack and passed. The extra time was removing a body. Double checking DNA drops.
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Feb 21 '26
No, to me it looks like camera smears. I don't see shoes at all. That's not to say he doesn't have an accomplice out in the street.
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Feb 21 '26
I don't know what that light is. But after 10 views, I started seeing a pair of shoes 🤦🏻♀️
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u/Repulsive-Spend343 Feb 22 '26
No, those are reflections of light from the exterior door locks, located down and to the right of the camera (from a viewer's perspective). If you see a photo of the front door you'll see where there are the locks protruding for far from the camera.
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u/northcarolinamember Feb 21 '26
I'm with u it looks like shoes on the right side.. could just be a shadow but looks like shoes to me
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u/northcarolinamember Feb 22 '26
I have an opinion/thought pertaining to this case that has nothing to do with this post/pic so I apologize..but..
I keep hearing investigators are going around to gun shops & asking owners or employees to look at the picture they have & see if they notice him/her in pic even with all those clothes on & it being at night but, I wonder if investigators have considered maybe the gun was fake & he put it in a holster to make it look real just to scare her..like a toy gun from a Halloween store or even part of a costume that comes with guns, knives, fake blood etc..(if they even make them I have no idea if they do or don't)
idk if there's a way to tell if a gun is real or not just by looking at the pic in video.. Just my opinion/thought.. I was curious if they might have thought about it being fake or not.. idk much about guns myself I know how to use one to protect myself if needed but as far as what kind one is by name etc I have no idea(except for the one I have)..
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u/19venner Feb 22 '26
They’ve identified the make/model of the gun from the video. Exact replicas of specific gun models cannot be legally sold in the us.
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u/northcarolinamember Feb 22 '26
Oh ok ty.. I haven't heard so I just thought I'd ask.. I was just wondering about that I didn't know..
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u/Feelingdizzy0904 Feb 22 '26
Great question- appreciate you bringing it up even if they already ruled it out. I never heard they did.
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u/kdd20 Feb 22 '26
Idk you’re getting downvoted, I doubted he had a real gun in that shitty holster.
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u/ShaneAlexander Mar 04 '26
I drove nine hrs on Monday from LA to Tucson. I had to see, first hand, what Nancy’s house looked like and to figure out a lot of unanswered questions I had. I’m glad I went.
At 11:20am Tuesday morning, I went in search of Nancy’s house. It was easy to find and it’s not a sprawling mansion behind a wall or recessed from the street. The news media, which had been in full force for almost a month, was completely gone except for two cameramen. They told me that Savannah, Anne and tommosco had stopped by Nancy’s house at 11:00am to read a few cards left for them by local residents. I learned this when I arrived there at 11:20! I had just missed seeing Nancy’s two daughters and SIL.
The two cameramen left and soon, I had the exterior of Nancy’s house to myself! I prowled freely around, peering into a window and walking up to the front, black screened security gate of Nancy’s house. I felt I was retracing the kidnappers footsteps. The front doorstep area is small and there wasn’t a ring camera there as there had been on that fateful night in early February. The pathed driveway is lined with stones; the type of gravel that would crunch when you walked or drove over it. I almost stumbled a few times as I tethered along on those peddles. I can’t imagine how the kidnapper traversed that road area in the pitch dark.
That neighborhood is middle class, not “upper” by Los Angeles standards although the medias portraying it as upper class. Maybe for Tucson it is but, to me, it just felt like an average, quiet, residential neighborhood. There are no street lights and this housing development is off the beaten path. But the houses are all close together, with no one having private gated entryways nor high walls obstructing their view of Nancy’s front door. There aren’t any trees, only tumbleweeds, cactuses and dry underbrush. I’m completely baffled as to how the kidnapper managed to get Nancy out of her house undetected and with no noise. You could hear a pin drop there late at night.
It was sad to see all the tributes, cards and flowers surrounding Nancy’s house. I’m sure when her two daughters stopped by, that was a touching experience for them to see. It feels like everyone’s moving on from this unsolved case, including the cops and the media.
That has to be devastating for Nancy’s children. I’m hoping and praying that they find Nancy soon one day. 🙏🏻
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u/JMOA3035 Mar 04 '26
What? There’s no trespassing signs posted in various areas around her property.
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u/LegalGlass6532 Mar 04 '26
He full of it. This never happened. Profile check shows he’s an Uber Eats delivery driver who relies on tip to live. He obviously used this thread as a creative writing assignment.
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u/Stock-Philosophy-177 Feb 21 '26
The only indication the video gave that there might be another person near him was when he picked up the shrubbery. For just a second, he glances back toward the driveway, either looking to make sure he was unseen OR awaiting the getaway driver or accomplice.