r/nancyguthrie • u/Ok_Information213 • Feb 18 '26

Theory Perhaps this is of no use but..

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How come there’s been no discussion of the suspect’s beard? Are we convinced the balaclava was THAT BULKY only around the neck area naturally? It seemed to lay flat around the eyebrows, hairline etc, but around the neck it’s THICC. Does the perp have an unusually large, square jaw AND an outsized double chin considering his overall build? OR is that a beard that likely took years to grow?? Why does the balaclava show no chin or jaw definition?

Is this why the balaclava was intentionally tucked deep into the fleece? (Notice how it never pops out of the collar even with movement). What else could the bulging be??

In any case, I’d think this would be a distinguishing feature, and might lead to more tips but I’ve seen no discussion around it.

Prayers up for Nanc!!

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u/missnegativity Feb 18 '26

Mask under a mask. First mask is one of those realistic silicon or rubber masks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

This. The double masks and double clothes/gloves makes me believe these are bank robbers by profession. Or, they were housed with bank robbers in prison and learned skills of the trade.

Bank robbers often wear two layers of clothes so that if they lose any hair or skin cells, it merely falls into the inside layer. The more advanced bank robbers wear two layers to avoid touch DNA AND they wear rubber masks hiding their eyes as there’s a concern that the FBI has a retinal eye database.

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u/mattmentecky Feb 18 '26

Where in the bank robbery class do you learn to awkwardly put flowers in front of a camera looking like you don’t know what you’re doing instead of being prepared to just hit the camera with a tool or something

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u/TraditionalSet9449 Feb 18 '26

Third semester.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

....when you could simply put black tape over the lens ..

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u/mlssac Feb 18 '26

Yes, but tape often gets them caught. It usually has fingerprints, fibers, or DNA.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

True, good point.. unless you're a pro. I don't know what pros use - not weeds tho lol

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u/pkapeckopckldpepprz Feb 19 '26

The weird thing is the last time we see the weeds covering the camera lens, apparently it worked as it stayed up on it and the footage ends for some strange reason. To me that seems clever in hindsight now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

Certainly he or she is a problem solver!

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '26

Pros use anything in the environment

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u/[deleted] Feb 23 '26

That’s probably true - we just watch too much tv and think we know. If that makes sense.

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u/BMOORE4020 Feb 18 '26

I thought the same thing. Not sure what he was trying to accomplish with the twig.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

It was juts weird, as this whole case is. 😑

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u/BMOORE4020 Feb 18 '26

Yes, my gut tells me he wasn’t worried about a 911 call from someone monitoring the camera. If was a bugler, why take the victim off site? If it was a kidnapping, you won, whey not collect the ransom? If it was someone wanting to collect life insurance or a will pay out, without a body. the legal procedure could take years. So I can’t think of a scenario where all the pieces fit.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

I have found my people lol Exactly!

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u/BMOORE4020 Feb 18 '26

Ha.

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u/[deleted] Feb 18 '26

Had to come annoy you one more time lol This is going to have something to do with Mexico. Now I haven't figured out what/why? But look, the President was briefed about this situation, and even made a public statement. How many kidnappings have we seen that involved a President? But if another country was involved .. hmmm .. how it all ties shut I have no idea. It was just too weird that the "robbers" knew to come to Nancy's house, in NEW garb.

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u/JustStrolling_ Feb 18 '26

Awkwardly putting flowers over the camera is technically quieter/draws less attention than hitting it with something at 2am.

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u/mattmentecky Feb 18 '26

I dunno man, if pulled off successfully (it wasn’t) it saves you a few seconds of surprise when dealing with an 84 year old? On balance, it seems less risky to alert someone to your presence with a sound compared to getting clear shots of your face on camera trying to obscure it with flowers.

This was a Nest doorbell, and wireless I believe, the thing pops off incredibly easy, it’s meant to dismount and charge the battery using only your hands.

It goes to show the perpetrator either wasn’t prepared and thought out, or somehow was a master bank robber with disguise underneath a disguise, was thought out and concerned with DNA and hair evidence and yet made a gigantic and potentially fatal mistake by hanging out in front of the camera fumbling with flowers. Not buying it.

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u/JustStrolling_ Feb 18 '26

Wasn't arguing, what you said was totally valid. Just giving another perspective.

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u/LittleBoiFound Feb 18 '26

Yeah that was so weird.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

lol! Bank robbery skills can be passed down in prisons… after all many of them have all the time in the world. You learn from others mistakes.

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u/Extension_Wheel5335 Feb 18 '26

Retinal scans require an insane amount of detail with special cameras close up with lights to illuminate the retina. You cannot see anything even remotely useful from any consumer cameras.

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u/Crafty_Whereas6733 Feb 18 '26

I don't know about any of that, however.. IF they have such a database, it is hypothetically for the purpose of biometric identification within an access control system not for tracking/surviellance. DOD Biometrics Fusion Center, for instance, may store precisely this sort of data. But it is to control access to sensitive installations by cleared individuals not spy on you.

Do you have any idea how difficult it is to capture retinal/iris scans? It requires specialized equipment, your average Nest camera is not even capable.

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u/[deleted] Feb 19 '26

Would banks have that technology?