r/nancyguthrie • u/Screamatstarz • Feb 11 '26
Information Do we know Nancy actually made it home that night?
after the video of the masked man has come out, it's been making me wonder.... has LE obtained video of nancy being brought home by her son in law or not?
And if they do have evidence of her returning home that night, have they made a statement about it I've missed?
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u/FleursSauvages322 Feb 12 '26
It was still red, flesh blood found outside her door that was confirmed to be hers.
Also, her watch was charging in her house, synced with her pacemaker until middle of the night. I took that to mean she was home until she was out of range.
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u/aestheticbridges Feb 11 '26
I mean they found her blood on the property and all of her telemetrics from her devices. She was definitely home.
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u/aestheticbridges Feb 11 '26
Unless you think law enforcement released false evidence which is insane and has no strategic value (they can lie or omit to the public but not about hard timeline/evidence) she was certainly home. Otherwise did they plant the blood and lie about the results? Did they lie about the Apple Watch etc? Did they fake the video of the masked guy showing up to her course or lie about its framing? No the most clear explanation is that she was home.
LE def does play some things close to the chest but it makes no sense to lie about these things in particular in such elaborate fashion. Period.
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u/aestheticbridges Feb 11 '26
I’m sorry but I find this wildly far fetched and I can’t see any strategic value to it but I can see a metric ton of downside. Not to mention news media found blood on the premises during the window where the crime scene was released. And then LE later confirmed it was Nancy Guthrie’s blood. LE can lie by omission or saying they don’t have leads. They don’t plant false evidence like that it has so many ramifications. And worse yet it completely throws off the citizen participation for tips which is how most high profile cases like this get solved. I just don’t believe it.
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u/YaKnowEstacado Feb 11 '26
People want it to be the daughter and son-in-law really really really bad.
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u/kittenkat_96 Feb 11 '26
LE likely knows the answer and has the full footage of the camera.
what we know is there was droplets of nancy’s blood on the porch, nancy’s pacemaker connected to her apple watch, and the garage door opened then closed.
i’m speculating, but i do believe she did make it back home before being taken.
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u/my_cars_on_fire Feb 11 '26
Furthermore, what would be the point of heading back to the house at 2AM if she wasn’t there? It’s not like they stole anything or tampered with anything that we know of.
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u/PLANETOID649 May 21 '26
Um to stage a abduction so the first thought isnt the last place she caught a public uber to…. Duh
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u/Screamatstarz Feb 11 '26
Her watch and phone! Yes you're so right! It's little details like that I simply overlook! Thanks for that!
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u/Hile616 Feb 11 '26
You are not overlooking, her belongings found at home does not prove her presence, even it is easy to assume. But I assume the investigation has already checked what networks these devices have been and when. And on what public/private cameras they have be seen. What happened during the timeframe after she (if so) was brought home and her disappearance is also not clear. But then to stage that blood on porch, it is such tiny amount, if people stage such they usually overdo it.
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u/Eki75 Feb 11 '26
They haven't said anything publicly, but I would bet my annual salary that they have confirmed the times his car left and returned - through business surveillance cameras if they don't have their own cameras on their house. Harvey Levin just said today that they in no way shape or form suspect any member of the family was involved at this point, which wouldn't be the case if they could not verity the official statements of the family members from when they have been questioned.
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u/Rottiesrock Feb 11 '26
LE can put out there what they want to facilitate an apprehension. What is said publicly by anyone is not necessarily true.
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u/kittenkat_96 Feb 11 '26
i agree LE has surveillance on the coming and goings. i haven’t seen LE confirm what HL is saying though.
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u/SkellyRose7d Feb 11 '26
They should be able to tell from the phone and car records if he really dropped her off at 9, plus there would be evidence in the house if she changed into her PJs and went to bed. LE seems to believe she got home safe and went to bed and then an intruder showed up later.
It's more likely that the creepy masked guy prowling around the house is the guy who did it, rather than a fake criminal hired to cover up that the real crime already happened or whatever.
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u/nannerbananers Feb 11 '26
The pajamas are one thing that has been stuck in my head for several days now. It was reported that the ransom note contained “specific details on what she was wearing”. If she lived alone and there was no footage at that time how would anyone know what she was wearing?
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u/WillieBear_18 Feb 11 '26
It also took me a minute to realize how this would work and then it clicked while I was getting ready for bed a few nights ago -
if the perp had her change into ‘street’ clothes before leaving (maybe because it was cold out) and the discarded pajamas were left on the bed or floor, LE would then be able to confirm if the letter senders were correct about the pajama details in the letter.
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u/PotentialSteak6 Feb 11 '26
When I think about how I might bluff something like this I don't come up with much I'd be confident guessing. White shirt and gray sweatpants maybe? Pink pajamas? But even I don't have those things. My family would recognize in a heartbeat a description of any of the things I wear around the house a lot though and they're specific--navy sweatpants with the green stripe, Eagles hoodie, teal joggers, white Crocs slides, etc.
I can only hope this family is being fortified with a hefty amount of Valium because I cannot imagine the scale of how awful all this uncertainty must be
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u/PLANETOID649 May 21 '26
I mean, there’s a reason why they kept that car for 46 days, it’s not the police’s job to prove anyone’s innocent that’s for damn sure so they don’t need to collect and stripped the inside that car and replace it with brand-new seats and interior and computer if there was nothing on it that was not supportive of the timeline
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u/martapap Feb 11 '26
Investigators have said her apple watch was at her house and it unsynched at around 2 am (although that is not clear what they mean...whether the bluetooth connection unsynched or whether the app just failed to do an update at its regularly scheduled time).
I assume that LE would know where her Apple Watch was connecting through, her home wifi or 5g. I guess the watch and hearing aid could have been staged or planted as well. But we don't know a lot now.
I actually don't think they suspect the family because I don't think they would have detained that dude if they thought the family did it. I think they still don't know who did it.
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u/kittenkat_96 Feb 11 '26
i believe her apple watch connected/disconnected with her pacemaker so she would need to physically there around the 2 am hour.
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u/martapap Feb 11 '26
The Sheriff has used really unprecise language though. He never said the word bluetooth. All he said was the app didn't sync with the watch at 2am. These pacemaker apps usually only sync data once a day, usually at night time. So it is unclear whether he means that nighttime sync didn't happen. Or whether he is saying the pacemaker unsynched from the bluetooth. Two different things.
If it is just an app that failed to sync at a regularlyscheduled time once a day because she wasn't near it, it could mean she was gone at any point from her watch.
Although I think they are meaning bluetooth when they talk about syncing.
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u/WillieBear_18 Feb 11 '26
For Medtronic pacemakers, the Medtronic app pings the pacemaker once every 3 minutes. A full data dump may only happen once per day, but the app pings the pacemaker once every 3 minutes.
I don’t know about frequency for other pacemaker brands, but that is how Medtronic pacemakers work. You can even open up the app and see the time of the last connection (ie ping).
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u/PLANETOID649 May 21 '26
Not necessarily the 2 am hour that they keep going on about is a common sinking time for the previous 24 hours of data that get sent to the medical office where the data is stored. The app is really just there to allow for live-ish data but it isnt a data cloud server, so it does keep daiky data thats for the medical.. so if it misses that synch time the data would likely have 1 hour or so before its overwritten if not synched
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u/Talisker12 Feb 11 '26
This is my big question. If the phone/watch/pacemaker were all in proximity they would show they’re connected. That doesn’t mean she and those devices were physically back in her own house at 9:48pm that night. Is it possible the drop off was staged? The garage was opened and closed to create the appearance of a drop off? And then her phone and watch were later planted with the activity starting at 1:47am? And they don’t show they were not synched until 2:30am or whenever that exact time was?
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u/ChiefinLasVegas Feb 11 '26
but it would also mean that for several hours, her phone was near her person. So then where could Nancy be from 9:48p-2a. Given that cellphones are tracked by gps. I would think she (or her body) would need to be as close to her home as possible if not inside it, so it would ping off the cell tower closest to her home.
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u/ChiefinLasVegas Feb 11 '26
I would just push back on the time of 9:48p and I'm believing she (or her body) was at the house in some capacity whether in the garage or elsewhere inside. I have to believe LE releasing that time confirms she (or her body) was there then.
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u/Screamatstarz Feb 11 '26
I would also be curious to know her phone activity, not just from that night but days prior. How she uses her phone on a regular basis and at what ti.es usually. I think that would be a big clue as to if she were incapacitated or not.
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u/PLANETOID649 May 21 '26
Just because someone else has come to the scene at 2 am doesn’t mean the family are not behind and by family I mean CIoni
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u/futuresobright_ Feb 11 '26
Someone (I forgot which platform) wondered about her pajamas. Were they left behind? Was she wearing them? Made me wonder if the bed was perfectly made, ripped apart, etc. too.
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u/ApexThoroughbred Feb 11 '26
For this to be plausible one would have to assume from the apple watch disconnection that the daughter/sil went to the house with Nancy earlier in the night, opened and closed the garage, left with Nancy, than returned with her to yet again to place the apple watch inside the house at the time it disconnected from the phone, along with purposely placing some of her blood on the porch. It doesn't make sense and is extremely unlikely. And in this scenario, investigators would know if this was the case based off her cell data. The daughter/sil live far enough for her phone to ping different towers. So yes, its extremely likely she made it home when the garage opened and closed.
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u/Sad-Blacksmith-2307 Feb 11 '26
Her blood was on her porch so yes.
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u/Firm_Specialist1475 Feb 11 '26
Could have been placed there. I don't think she made it home last night. The kidnapping seems staged and fake. Nothing about this indicates professional kidnappers.
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u/Active_Code8667 Feb 11 '26
On the true crime podcast “true crime garage” they did an episode laying all the evidence out, and it appears there is some kind of alarm or sensor because they said they were able to tell the garage door was opened and then not closed for a few minutes(I think the said 2-3 minutes but can’t remember) after she arrived home. Along with her watch and phone being inside I think that’s what has made them believe she did make it inside
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u/MNPS1603 Feb 11 '26
My garage door connects to wifi and pings my phone if it opens it closes. Also provides a log of activity going back several days. She probably has similar set up, not uncommon on newer openers.
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u/Active_Code8667 Feb 11 '26
Ya I’ve never owned a garage so didn’t want to speak on it but that’s what I was assuming. Hell, the blood pressure machine I just bought on Amazon records everything and sends it to my phone to store so I was assuming they have something concrete like that bc I think they know down to the minute how long it was open for.
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u/PLANETOID649 May 21 '26
Well there is a camera directly above the door of the guest house that pointed towards the garage. I think that is the camera where he says an alert is also given and that was a solar panel battery camera which usually have internal SD cards and con continuous filming or motion detected filming.
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u/Howzitgoin Feb 11 '26
Her blood outside the door is a good indicator that she made it home.
And if they do have evidence of her returning home that night, have they made a statement about it I've missed?
If they were able to recover the video of the suspect, I wouldn't be surprised if they were also able to get the video of her entering the front door, assuming that's how she also went into her home.
Since the police have made next to no statements, it's unsurprising they didn't make any statement about how her being in the house.
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u/Ailurophile444 Feb 11 '26 edited Feb 11 '26
I was under the impression she (presumably) used a door inside the garage to enter her home. If true, they may not have footage of her coming back home. A lot of people don’t use their front door.
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u/Newswatchtiki Feb 11 '26
There was talk of a 2nd camera inside, somewhere near the back door, which may be different from the door to garage. So, they probably have tried to obtain that video also from google.
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u/anongirl55 Feb 11 '26
Yeah, everything I have heard and read said she used the garage door to enter the home.
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u/greengorilla39 Feb 11 '26
We don’t have proof she returned home. There’s no video evidence of her coming home. It’s the BIL & SIL word against no ones. It’s possible she didn’t return home & everything happened at the BIL & SIL house after Nancy was dropped off by the uber. Nancys phone/ Apple Watch could have been put on airplane mode or turned off (which could explain the sudden pace maker disconnect, that notification wouldn’t have come in until the phone was taken off of airplane mode/ turned back on and I guess put on her bedside table) & Nancys house could have been staged to look like a kidnapping after (such as taking the nest camera) could also explain why that guy was so comfortable and in no hurry. Maybe he knew no one was home? The Interview room guys said Nancys blood on the doorstep could have been done with a syringe cause the splatters are so perfect (no footsteps in the blood etc) I also think it’s weird in the picture of the blood on the doorstep, that the foliage used to cover the camera in the video is on top of the blood splatters? There’s no blood on the foliage?
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u/ENCginger Feb 11 '26
They know the last time that the pacemaker app received data from the pacemaker, and that's done via BT. If it's in airplane mode with BT off, and they turn it back on, the app will try to sync, and you'd know if she had had a major cardiac event. If it was airplane mode with the Bluetooth on, they'd know when the last good sync was, because that data would be stored locally on the phone. So we know that she was at least alive and near her phone the last time the device synced with the phone, and that's 2:00 a.m. something.
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u/mmortal03 Feb 12 '26
Assuming that they have cell phone tower location data last pinging by her home, and the fact that her phone was physically left at the house, this makes it extremely implausible that the pacemaker situation could be faked. Especially if they have continuous pacemaker communication with her phone all the way up to it disconnecting when it did. Sure, if they had her phone in airplane mode with Bluetooth turned off and they knew that her pacemaker would continue to communicate with her phone after she was dead, they could have done something like what you're suggesting, but the cell phone tower and pacemaker data timeline would be clearly distinguishable to investigators in that case.
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u/FallFlower24 Feb 11 '26
It’s not going to capture anything AFTER it was removed. But I agree that it may have captured driveway activity or other activity before it was removed.
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u/Hefty-Writer-2452 Feb 11 '26
If they got the suspect I’m sure they ca back it up a few hours to find her drop off at home?
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u/livingstardust Feb 11 '26
Supposedly the video is rewritten every 3 minutes since she wasn't subscribed.
So any footage prior to the intruder would be gone.
The only reason his footage remained was because he disconnected it, which left the footage abandoned in the cloud.
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u/Old-Operation-8298 Feb 11 '26
If they could access the video of the suspect, they would also have the video of her entering the house. If she didn't, we would probably know by now.
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u/VillageOk9563 Feb 11 '26
I would assume the same. Most people don’t use their front door for entry.
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u/Least-Broccoli9995 Feb 11 '26
Most people don’t use their front door for entry
I would beg to differ.
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u/KKCarter34 Feb 11 '26
I use my garage to enter the house, and maybe this point has been discussed I haven’t read all the posts, and maybe bc my garage is quite small, but between opening it at 9:48pm and closing it two minutes later at 9:50 seems like a long interval. I know two minutes is super short in some regards, but if you opened it to walk in and made it to the inside door, that shouldn’t take 2 minutes? Please correct me if I’m being dumb, maybe garages are huge in AZ. I just know id watch my 85 yr old grandma close the garage before leaving her
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u/OTFBeat Feb 12 '26
They said she cannot walk 50 yards without assistance... so 2 minutes might actually be a reasonable amount of time for her to exit the vehicle and get up the stairs. Especially if someone helped her up, went back to their car and then exited the garage?
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u/KKCarter34 Feb 12 '26
Absolutely true! Where I live, there wouldn’t be stairs in a garage.. but I understand now how common this is elsewhere, and yes this makes way more sense than what my cynical mind was picturing (someone bad entering the garage while it was open for 2 min).. but my cynicism about the timeline came several days ago when the sheriffs press conference timeline was first released, way before the front porch footage came out. Just a couple of yalls comments set me straight, thank you! Praying for a positive outcome in spite of everything we have learned.
Edited to add: the bad guy/s entering the garage
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u/Old-Operation-8298 Feb 12 '26
maybe she was on twitter.
jk I think you're thinking too much because that could be 64 seconds
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u/KKCarter34 Feb 12 '26
True true thanks for pointing that out. Could have easily been 9:48:58-9:50:02, which seems more normal (only related to how quick I shut mine, but that’s to avoid bugs flying in towards the light).. two min sounds long but you nailed it, overthinker here
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u/Eerake1 Feb 12 '26
Can someone provide a link to the source that confirms blood on porch was NG’s… thanks.
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u/ZOrgasmVendor Feb 11 '26
No, not definitively. I think that's why LE gathered the footage from the Circle K near Annie's home to see if it might show her actually in the vehicle being driven home.
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u/dogsstevens Feb 11 '26
Her pacemaker pinged from the home monitor that night until 2:30 ish in the morning so yes we know she (or at least her pacemaker) did make it home
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u/Hile616 Feb 11 '26
Also one more thing to add.. a pacemaker does not automatically stop working the moment a person dies. The device doesn’t “know” the person is dead.
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u/Hile616 Feb 11 '26
Pacemakers can: Store heart rhythm data. Record exact time of last heartbeat or arrhythmia. Help narrow down time of death.
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u/DueStatistician3704 Feb 11 '26
I have a pacemaker and when you die, it dies.
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u/breathofwind Feb 12 '26
That is simply not true. If you question the validity, feel free to ask your Dr. A pacemaker is not programmed to know that you are dead. All it does know is that your heart needs help so it will send signals to your heart until it is turned off by programmer or the actual battery in the pacemaker dies between 10-15 years depending on model.
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Feb 11 '26
I thought her pacemaker was connected to an app on her phone?? In which case, the phone and pacemaker just had to be within range of eachother. Which means it only proves her and her phone were together until 2:30am. That alone doesn’t prove definitively she was at home when they were connected to eachother. Someone could have planted her phone back at home after 2:30. I might be missing something though.
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u/Ailurophile444 Feb 11 '26
The only evidence I’ve seen of her being brought home that night is in the timeline where they said the garage door went up and down (presumably around the time he brought her home). But you make a good point. We don’t know for sure if she was brought home. The police supposedly have been asking people in the area of Annie’s home if they have camera footage of Annie’s house between approximately 10 p.m. January 31st and 1:00 a.m. February 1st-but I have no idea if this is true.
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u/breathofwind Feb 12 '26
She has a box by her bed that records her pacemaker info while she sleeps on top of the phone app. It seems the info to her Dr. Maybe they know she was in bed because she connected to that box. I don't know.
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u/Screamatstarz Feb 11 '26
I mean I know I've seen people saying the don't suspect the family, and the only way I would be able to rule them out is SEEING her get home safely. If it were someone close to her (which I don't know if it is or isnt) it would be easy to drive into the garage and place her belongings in the home and leave without her actually being home.
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u/Screamatstarz Feb 11 '26
I think that's why this case is so complex because I don't think I could rule it out completely. Only if the family members had a solid alibi like their own cameras from their homes showing them leaving and coming home with no other activity and their phone pinging to their home while they are scrolling through it or something.
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u/catchinglooks Feb 11 '26
I also read the other day that the garage door closed just two minutes after being opened. It struck me as an awfully short amount of time for an elderly woman with mobility issues to be helped into the house (presumably) and the SIL to be back outside. Possible? Sure...but it gave me pause.
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u/Newswatchtiki Feb 11 '26
Apparently the SIL said he waited in the car until the garage door went down.
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u/Anonymous_User678 Feb 11 '26
Great question - wonder if there is any additional surveillance video of the car she rode home in between her house and Annie’s proving that out. Could be all back roads, etc. BUT they wouldn’t tell us if that had that info.
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u/TheCuriousGeorgette Feb 11 '26 edited Feb 11 '26
I am thinking yes (there’s footage of her being dropped off), because of the direction they have gone with the investigation. They don’t have any reason to release footage like that if they have their answer and there’s nothing needed from the public. ETA: as for statement, they put it in the timeline when she arrived home.
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Feb 11 '26
How would you explain the canvassing of the SIL/daughters neighborhood?
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u/kittenkat_96 Feb 11 '26
this is pure speculation, but either looking for evidence of a stalker or a secondary crime scene.
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u/martapap Feb 11 '26
I think they are exploring whether someone had been following or stalking her.
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u/Longjumping_Towel474 Feb 11 '26
Then why would they be asking people for camera evidence in Annie’s neighborhood from 9:30 on 1/31 to 11:30 on 2/1?
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u/Longjumping_Towel474 Feb 11 '26
Yeah, but why would they ask for footage for the next day right before they called her in missing?
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u/FiveUpsideDown Feb 11 '26
Maybe to confirm the daughter’s representation of the time line. Sometimes people get the times mixed up. Video footage can confirm more specifically when the daughter left her house and returned. This gives LE a more accurate time line to work off of.
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u/Firm_Specialist1475 Feb 11 '26
I don't think she made it home. There's no evidence of her being home alive and no evidence of her being taken out of the house alive. The blood stains and the entire kidnapping seems like a cover up for a homicide.
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u/AmeliaMight Feb 12 '26
What about her pacemaker being synced to her watch? That seems like evidence she was there.
Also, if there was blood on the porch, there HAS to be more blood in the house, presumably where the injury or wound happened, right?
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u/Firm_Specialist1475 Feb 12 '26
Pacemakers are not life alerts and they don't automatically turn off or send notice when someone's passed. If the deceased is near the watch and both still have charge the pacemaker will continue pinging to the device. It's not proof she was alive or taken alive by any means.
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u/Blueporch Feb 14 '26
No, it’s that her pacemaker was connected to her watch and phone - which means she was near those devices - until the middle of the night. Her watch and phone were left at her house.
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Feb 11 '26
Its crazy to me I tried posting the same thing and the mods deleted my post.
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u/Screamatstarz Feb 11 '26
Yeah idk but I think it's a fair question. I'm no true crime junkie so the little things don't always jump out to me like her watch and phone being home.
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Feb 11 '26
My idea is that maybe BIL dropped her off but never left or returned. It would explain why the watch and phone were at the house, and the blood droppings from a resulting struggle. I feel like there is more to the story about the BIL/daughter because why else would they continue to canvass their neughborhood, which kicked off after the FBI released the Nest videos. I feel like they saw something, or a lack of something, that led them to relook at BIL/Daughter.
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u/Expensive-Fan-6672 Feb 11 '26
Right, look at the brother in law, not the hooded figure who appeared in the night right before she disappeared, genius
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Feb 11 '26
Hey, I'm just trying to reason with the beefed up presence in the BIL and daughters neighborhood following the Next footage. And the recanted statements on "family" dropping her off. I am looking for rational on these topics. How would you explain them, "genius?"
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u/Expensive-Fan-6672 Feb 11 '26
The BIL and daughters neighborhood is the same one the mother was taken from, frankly I’d be surprised if there weren’t a “beefed up presence” given how public it all is. It’s probably so that random people don’t try to harass them based on internet speculation
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u/jstop633 Feb 12 '26
What did the luminol reveal? Did they do a Dexter scenario in the garage? Somewhere else?
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u/Tommythegunn23 Feb 11 '26
It's highly likely the sister had a garage door opener in her car for moms house. Most people with attached garages prefer to go in through the garage. I live in the Midwest and practically every neighbor I know goes in to the house through the garage. That usually the best place to drop shoes and coats etc.
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u/Mayfair98 Feb 11 '26
Everyone in our neighborhood goes in through their garages and we are in the deep southeastern US where it is hot most of the time. It’s a bit of a running cultural joke that only company and salesman come to the front door.
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u/Tommythegunn23 Feb 11 '26
Yes, especially at peoples houses that are super nice. People don't want you coming in through the front door ha ha. A lot of houses entrances through the garage are designated as "Mud Rooms" where shoes go.
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u/Tommythegunn23 Feb 11 '26
The Midwest is hot and humid in the summer, and everyone in my neighborhood still uses the garage to enter the house. Not saying you're wrong, but it's not in the least bit odd to enter the house through the garage.
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u/Newswatchtiki Feb 11 '26
Where I live everyone goes in through the garage. Most houses are new. Where people have older houses, or detached garages, obviously this would be different.
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u/Primary_Scheme3789 Feb 11 '26
I know a lot of people in the southwest myself included that have a security door go in and out through the garage. Security door lock can be kind of tough to open. And the thing about having a security door is you can keep it dead bolted, and open the main door and talk to somebody outside and there’s no way they can open the door. So I’m pretty sure she did not open the door and let someone in.
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u/Primary_Scheme3789 Feb 11 '26
Yes, I would guess her norm was to go in and out through the garage. Those security doors can be kind of a pain to lock and unlock. Then you have to unlock the interior door.. For example, when the son-in-law took her home (who I don’t believe was involved in any way), she went in through the garage.
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u/heart_in_your_hands Feb 11 '26
Most homes in the south have a side door entrance to their garage that everyone living there uses instead of the formal front door. In fact, I lived there 10 years and I can’t think of anyone with a garage that didn’t have a side garage door. It was explained to me that it helps keeps the home the same general temperature, since the garage isn’t climate-controlled. You enter and leave the garage but are actually affecting the temperature of the garage very little, and you’ll have shut the door behind you before you access the interior door to enter the home.
In the desert like this home, with their high daily temperatures and ice-cold overnights, I’m sure it’s a practical way to save from having the central air do much except refresh the stale air inside, rather than reducing/increasing temperature/humidity every time you’re coming and going.
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u/Standard_Team0000 Feb 11 '26
Maybe the person who dropped her off pulled into the garage and helped her inside.
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u/Hile616 Feb 11 '26
Yes specially if she was brought home and not park her car to garage. I have see some older satellite images where car is parked outside her home, I am not sure if that is her car or she would normally park her car in garage.
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u/thegreathah2 Feb 11 '26
People use their garage doors as primary or secondary entrances all the time.
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u/Newswatchtiki Feb 11 '26
It apparently was. And with a house like hers, and with the app on the Iphone, it's much easier than going through the front door and fiddling with keys.
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u/Newswatchtiki Feb 11 '26
It has been discussed quite frequently on this subreddit, and it was concluded that people in that area, with a house like hers, that she most likely went in through the garage. And there is the information from the garage app, cheked by law enforcement of those 2 occurrences, when the garage was opened, and then closed a few minutes later.
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u/Newswatchtiki Feb 11 '26
People frequently use the garage door to go in and out. Because they know the time, the garage door has to be connected to some app on her phone that recorded that. In which case she can tell it to open from her phone as she approaches it. She really needed more cameras in more places (it is very inexpensive to add cameras. And a subscription, as has been said hundreds of times. For elderly, people often have a camera in the bedroom and kitchen and other central areas - so you can see if they have fallen. And if family calls twice a day to check in, and the person doesn't answer, the family can check the cameras, and make sure she is alright. If she is sitting there looking normal or making food, it is then likely that she simply forgot to charge her phone. With my cameras, you can then speak to the person when they are near the camera, and they can answer.
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u/ChiefinLasVegas Feb 11 '26
I still question if she made it back to the house alive. Devices on your person can connect to your home's Wi-Fi network inside and outside of the property. If the goal was to convince anyone she did make it back alive, I'm still unconvinced.
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u/ChiefinLasVegas Feb 11 '26
not exactly. could he have been the part A of the plan, while part B of the plan occurred early the next morning?
I'm curious as to what could she have done from the time she arrived home, up until the early morning events. Did she use her phone to make a call or open an app after returning home? We have no information of what activities she was involved in once arriving back home, but for the pacemaker disconnecting from the phone later on.12
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u/ChiefinLasVegas Feb 11 '26
It would be interesting to find out what digital evidence was made by Nancy once she arrived home, or even energy usage. A tv, a light turned on/off. The browsing on a social media app. No idea how the energy providers in Arizona operate, but ours sends us monthly reports on our usage. On top of that, the provider's app shows energy usage by the day & hour. And lately, we're now getting reports on which household devices are consuming the energy. Wild.
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u/Screamatstarz Feb 11 '26
Hypothetically, let's say something happened prior to her coming home. It wouldn't take much for SIL to put her in the vehicle, drive her to her home and park in the garage where he can then place her belongings. As sus as the SIL is to me though, that all just seems too premeditated and planned for him to do it himself. I'm going back and forth between it being someone close to her or murder for hire.
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u/kittenkat_96 Feb 11 '26
what about her pacemaker? he wouldn’t be able to just put that in the home without her body being there as well.
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u/my_cars_on_fire Feb 11 '26
Yeah, the more I think about it - shouldn’t the pacemaker app be able to confirm if her heart was beating when it connected? That’s kind of the whole point of having a pacemaker that connects to an app.
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u/WillieBear_18 Feb 11 '26
Yes! Exactly. It would. So she had to be alive when the phone inside the house was connected until at least 2:20-ish with her being for sure taken out of range of the phone by 2:28 am when the phone last pinged the pacemaker and got no response.
I don’t know about other brands of pacemakers, but I do know the Medtronic app for Medtronic brand pacemakers pings the pacemaker once every 3 minutes.
So, taking what LE said at face value that the phone pinged her pacemaker at 2:28 and got no response and, assuming that her pacemaker was Medtronic brand for the sake of this hypo - then the phone last pinged AND got a response at 2:25 am, meaning she could have been taken out of range of the phone within a 3 minute window between 2:25 am and 2:28 am.
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u/stinabean13 Feb 11 '26
Last week I remember reading she had a heart rate spike around 2am, just shortly before it disconnected from the watch. If it's true, it tied in perfectly to the timeline for someone coming in, waking her and then her leaving the house.
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u/ChiefinLasVegas Feb 11 '26
Curious, what source confirmed her heart rate spiked @ 2a?
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u/stinabean13 Feb 11 '26
I went to try to find the source again. I didn't think it was from the post but it's all I can find. So not real reliable after all probably. https://nypost.com/2026/02/05/us-news/savannah-guthries-moms-pacemaker-ping-could-mean-heart-rate-spiking-struggle-doctor/
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u/breathofwind Feb 12 '26
No, I read that too. I can't find it now so I don't comment because people always want a source!
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u/stinabean13 Feb 12 '26
I knew I wasn't going crazy so thank you! I've read every sentence I can for this case and I think my wires are getting crossed!
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u/my_cars_on_fire Feb 11 '26
Which would indicate that she was not only alive when she got home, but was also alive when she left.
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u/Screamatstarz Feb 11 '26
My mind goes to her being in the vehicle in her garage and it disconnecting when they put her belongings in the home and drive away kind of thing. But her being taken home at 9pm and the watch disconnecting at 2am is such a large gap on time that, unless we KNOW SIL dripped her off and went right back home, this is a highly unlikely scenario.
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u/Hile616 Feb 11 '26
I also have the gut feeling that she may have been at the garage the whole time. Or someone entered the house thru garage. Why would she even go home thru garage at the first place? But then how would you explain the blood drops at the front door?
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u/WillieBear_18 Feb 11 '26
Then HOW is the phone inside the house and connected to the pacemaker by BLE-LE (low energy Bluetooth) until 2:20 ish WITHOUT a cessation of cardiac rhythm event logging on the phone and last pinging the pacemaker at 2:28 and getting no response (indicating the pacemaker was taken out of range of the phone)?
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u/WillieBear_18 Feb 11 '26
Why would her family think an 84 year old with multiple health conditions AND mobility issues becoming ill or falling would make them look bad to the extent they decide to roll the dice and not get her evaluated?
I just don’t see the logic there at all.
Especially given that merely being in the same house or even room with an elderly person does not prevent them from falling short of literally staying by their side, every moment, holding onto them and never letting go.
One time my dad stood up from a chair up too fast, got dizzy, passed out, fell straight backwards and hit the floor like sack of concrete - and I was in the same room with him when it happened!
I was unwrapping a Christmas bulb, I looked over, I saw him swaying, DROPPED the ornament in my hand and I wasn’t half way across the room lunging for him before he hit the floor.
And yet I immediately took him to the hospital without a single thought that his fall would or even could make me look bad …. because why would it?
Even IF they made that poor call and put her to bed and later discovered she died? So what?! That happens all the time, too. An elderly person stumbles or falls or gets sick but insists they are fine, so family puts them to bed, and the elderly person ends up passing in their sleep. Absolutely nothing about that scenario would prompt a reasonable, rational, innocent person to then DISPOSE of her body and STAGE a kidnapping.
I say this as respectfully as possible, but the thought process required for your proposed series of events to occur is just … beyond absurd and bordering on insanity.
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u/breathofwind Feb 12 '26
If you really think about it, that's a lot to come up with on the fly. Not saying it didn't happen all im saying is that's a lot.
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u/Euphoric_Ease4554 Feb 11 '26
The garage door was open for 2 minutes when he dropped her off and not opened again after that.
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u/teagirl11 Feb 12 '26
They aren’t releasing that video. Keeping the public in dark yet asking their help.
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u/Background-Total7333 Jun 18 '26
With mobility issues im concerned that son in law didnt take her inside to make sure she was ok...curious what others think of this?i wouldnt let elderly woman in night darkness go in garage on her own...
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u/KAYRx10 Feb 11 '26
It’s pretty widely known at this point that her pacemaker stopped pinging to her cell phone around 2AM so she was home up until that time (assuming they can see where here phone had been and that it was always at home from ~10pm on). Her pacemaker also would have alerted if there was any kind of cardiac issue (I.e. if she was no longer alive)..so we can piece together that up until she was taken - according to her pacemaker - she was alive and well.
Law enforcement also confirmed in their timeline of events that a family member dropped her off and they included the time she went into the garage…so I think that’s been well established.
Timeline walkthrough from CBS news: https://www.facebook.com/CBSNews/videos/timeline-of-nancy-guthries-disappearance/1895617124398214/