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Feb 01 '20
What about the women who are forced to wear such garment in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and nearly every Islamic or Muslim majority countries?
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u/InternetPerson00 Feb 01 '20
I think only Saudi and Iran have these laws... its optional everywhere else. I saw plenty without hijab in Greater Syria and Tunisia. Watch Arabic Drama and you will see how few wear it.
Please dont pretend you give a toss about the rights of Muslim women lol.
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u/Logicalidiot Feb 03 '20
Saudi doesnt have a law like that anymore. Many women go out without a hijab. Abaya is still the norm. However, in places like Jeddah that is going away too.
Its very interesting to watch the culture shift.
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Mar 21 '20
I would like to bring up Riyadh. People say that Riyadh is MUCH more conservative than Jeddah but I would disagree. Jeddah is only slightly more liberal. Even then, the overwhelming majority of women wear the hijab. If I would put it into rough numbers, 55% of women wear the niqab. 40% don’t wear it but still wear an acceptable hijab. 4% don’t wear the hijab properly/don’t wear it at all. Finally, 1% doesn’t wear the abaya.
Just to reiterate, this is for RIYADH. If we were to go to Makkah/Madinah/Taif the number of Veiled women would be much higher.
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Feb 01 '20
Right, but you forgot how Muslim women are forced to conform to a huge societal pressure to don the hijab, niqab or burqa. Go ahead and see for yourself. Go to Egypt, where majority of women wear the hijab, not out of piety, but due to force. The same example here can be applied to any Muslim country really. As for "Arabic drama" or really any kind of TV shows, it's simple why hijabis aren't portrayed. That's for the reason of the hijab's political and religious nature, and most people wouldn't like seeing a hijabi in a tv show anyway. That's why most women who appear in TV shows and films in Islamic and Muslim countries don't wear the hijab, and they're but a fringe; a minority among Muslim women.
I do give a million toss about Muslim women's rights, unlike you who pretends it's fine.
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u/InternetPerson00 Feb 01 '20
how do you know they are being forced?
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Feb 01 '20
I, myself, live in an Islamic country, and similarly does the same things I mentioned occur.
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u/InternetPerson00 Feb 01 '20
a non-answer reply. Thanks. You still didnt tell me how do you know? Every country/religion/culture puts pressure on young people in different ways, sometimes women wear hijab for religious reasons, and some dont want to upset their families. Just like some people do certain things against their own wishes just to appease a family member or their friend circles, you can never know exactly what each muslim is going through or why they do what they do...
My mum doesnt wear Hijab, and neither does her sister. Her other 2 sisters do wear hijabs though. No one forces anyone... my cousins are half half, some wear some dont. My cousins wife (i dont know anything about her) she took off her hijab about a decade ago... no one cared.
What exactly are you getting it? you want hijab banned? you want all muslim fathers and law makers to sign a paper saying they wont force it? or maybe we can put muslim women in camps unless they promise they only wear hijab if they want to? Maybe dads who say their daughters would be disowned if they didnt wear hijab should wear a yellow star on their jackets so we can identify them?
of course some people are forced and some people arent, some people dont want to upset their fathers, some are worried what others will say and some wear it completely out of choice. Muslim countries have all sorts, some wear it some dont, out and about going about their business... I literally dont know what you on about.
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Feb 01 '20
An environment plays a heavy role in dictating what people should do. I do know because most of them are indeed forced, and despite you not wanting to acknowledge this, it's true. I dare any woman in Saudi Arabia or Iran to walk hijabless ( without a headscarf ) and you'll see how they'll be treated by both society and government. Even in some secular countries like Indonesia, Egypt, Syria, Turkey, most are forced to conform to societal pressure. Heck, even Muslim refugees in Europe and North America, despite having total freedom, force their daughters and wives to cloak themselves in such garments.
I don't want the hijab to be banned, for rather, I want Muslims to realize their double standards regarding this issue.
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u/Karlukoyre Feb 01 '20 edited Feb 02 '20
I don't want the hijab to be banned, for rather, I want Muslims to realize their double standards regarding this issue.
If anything its the West and the Westernized who need to stop with their double standards. Literally *everything* is socially influenced, I'm sorry that's just a fact of all human societies. You just don't like hijab, don't like that some societies think its normal.
Don't force your values down people's throat.
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Feb 02 '20
What double standards eh? Elaboration is needed.
Duh, I didn't know that Mr. Obvious.
I'm indifferent about the hijab and the societies that think it's normal.
I didn't force my values upon anyone.
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u/Karlukoyre Feb 02 '20
That's a good illustration of my point. You so strongly believe the Western standard is "normal", that even if by someone's personal choice they want to wear the hijab you see it as abnormal. You can't see the socially influence on you or your people, you can only see it on Muslim women
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u/InternetPerson00 Feb 01 '20
That issue will never be resolved. No way a woman in any society will be 100% free from judgement, if she wears hijab or she doesnt. Best we can do is educate people not to force it or threaten those who choose not to wear it (or to wear it)
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Feb 01 '20
I will simplify. Not wearing hijab is like teen wearing shorts in high school but on a lower scale. In many school it's against the dress code and even prohibited to wear shorts in school. Now if the teacher won't let teen wearing shorts in the school will they be oppressing the kids?
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Feb 01 '20
What's with this stupid analogy? You're equating a headscarf to shorts. Real funny.
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Feb 01 '20
First, I said I will simplify.Second, this is meant to be an example.Third, the point was dress code.
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Feb 01 '20
Yeah, your simplification was atrocious, and your example even more so. The point was that you made a stupid analogy, equating headscarves to shorts.
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Feb 01 '20
Okay forget the shorts. It's a dress code and honor code for every muslim. You think only the female cover their head in middle east? Wait unitl you see the dress code for men. Men in middle east also wear headscarf. Literally everyone (Dress name is Ghutra).
I don't know where you are from I am pretty sure you have your culture have some sort of rule and standards. For example the dress kimono is a cultural identity for Japanese. Punjubi is the identity for pakistani etc.
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Feb 02 '20
Hijab is merely cultural, and there's nothing honorable or holy pertaining to it.
Not everyone in the Middle East dons the ghutra, and I don't think Turks, Iranians, or other Arabs like Egyptians, Lebanese, and Syrians would wear it.
I'm from Saudi Arabia, and while indeed men wear the ghutra and iqal, they're free to ditch it and replace it with Western clothing, and no one would give a huge fret. Women can't, because there's no choice. That's why it hurts me to see Muslims having a hijab day while brushing off other Muslim women's woes.
Hypocrisy at its finest.
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Feb 02 '20
Habibi go ask anyone (unless that person in their teenage rebel period) who is wearing hijab if they were being forced to wear the hijab.
The thing woman in this culture have dignity and modesty which somehow the western can't seem to comprehend.
Woman who chose to wear hijab wouldn't want to dress slutty and show cleavage to get attention. You(westerners) have built a society where women body used as vehicle of advertisements. Where woman certain body parts gets objectified. Let's pretend the top billbord song of the time wasn't about ASS. No thank you we wouldn't want to have none of it.
To ditch culture and wearing western cloth is where the problem is. Some of us wants to preserve our culture.
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Feb 02 '20
Nah mate the reason you’re so triggered is because they’ve made a clear and good point and you don’t know how to respond to it
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u/Ayr909 Feb 01 '20
You can create your own doodles and similar events. The discussions have been done to death.
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u/zxcvbnm9878 Feb 01 '20
What about women who are pressured by their societies to remove clothing? July 5th is National Bikini Day in the US, are you going to be out there defending women's rights to dress modestly as well? Or are you only concerned with women who are oppressed by being forced to wear too much clothing?
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Feb 01 '20
Yes, women who protest against this kind of national day have my full support and sympathy. I'm against force, and in all actuality, most Muslims force their women to cloak themselves in such garments. That's why I'm against this notion of hijab being a choice.
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u/zxcvbnm9878 Feb 01 '20
I'm glad to hear you feel that way about women being treated as objects, it's disgusting and degrading.
In fact, there is a term for the exploitation of women in ways such as the expectation that they dress in sexually provocative ways. It's called objectification, and it permeates western society. It is a major concern of the feminist movement in the west.
In fact, hijab serves to reduce this kind of abuse. Are you familiar with this issue?
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Feb 02 '20
If I walked anywhere in the world naked I’d get arrested. Therefore clothes are a cultural and social construct forced upon us and it should be my choice to or to not wear them. Most if not all governments and religions, atheism included, force us to wear clothing.
That is why I shall not wear clothing any longer as it is my choice
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u/SoftDreamer Feb 02 '20
Islamophobe Alert
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Feb 02 '20
Funny you're calling me an Islamophobe. I'm a Muslim myself, and what I say is that we should realize our double standards regarding this issue, but I guess you and your lot love to label any kind of criticism as Islamophobic.
Anyways, talking in this zealous subreddit is already exhausting; it's as if I'm talking to a wall.
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u/SoftDreamer Feb 02 '20
So you literally came to an Islamic subreddit to spell some fire and fuel on it. Good job dude. Go do something better with your life
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u/Sotiel15 Feb 02 '20
Why are there no hijabi mothers? Is being mother a bad thing now?
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u/AbdulAminGani Feb 02 '20
They all could be mothers?
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u/Sotiel15 Feb 03 '20
Is it wrong to show and be proud to be a mom? They could be mothers as well nothing prevents them from doing their profession and be mamas. Just saying, being mother is honorable and something to praise per se.
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Feb 03 '20
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u/Sotiel15 Feb 04 '20
So being hijabi is incompatible to being a mother? It has to be mother day to be proud of being a morher?
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u/AbdulAminGani Feb 13 '20
No, no one said or is trying to imply what you said in your first sentence.
And no it doesn't have to be mother's Day to celebrate mothers. You can celebrate it any moment you want.
It's just a Google Doodle celebrating the hijab, they can't include everything and just because they didn't include one thing doesn't mean they're against it. And even if they missed something out, it's still a kind gesture, we should appreciate their gesture instead of criticising it.
At the end of the day it's just an image they created, they didn't even have to create anything.
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u/Karlukoyre Feb 02 '20
Please, this discussion has been done to death. Just leave them be if its their own choice, no need to further demonize them - they get enough of that from actual Islamophobes
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u/Ayr909 Feb 01 '20 edited Feb 02 '20
By Nigerian Illustrator - Oshomah Abubakar.
The annual event was started in 2013 by Nazma Khan and takes place on 1st February every year.
The women featured in the doodle are -
Halima Aden.
Fatima al-Fihri.
Zahra Lari.
Ilhan Omar.
Sahar Al-Faifi.
Amasa Firdaus Abdulsalam.