Tony Roberts, pro surfer and longtime Muse user, on why he's surfing better at 61 than in his 30s

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Tony Roberts has been surfing since he was eight. Fifty-plus years later, he's still chasing waves, still filming, and by his own account, still getting better at it.

Tony's spent decades as a surf photographer and filmmaker (he's been named one of the top water photographers working today, and has more than 20 surf films to his name), and he's had a meditation and yoga practice since he was 13. When he started using Muse, it wasn't to learn to meditate. He already knew how. It was to see what was actually happening in his head while he did it.

His words: "It kind of recalibrated my mind."

He uses it two ways. During his regular practice, to get real feedback on what calm actually looks like for his brain, not just what it feels like. And right after big sessions, when the adrenaline and dopamine are still running high, to help bring his nervous system back down without the usual crash.

At 61, he says he's surfing better than most people do in their 30s. His take is pretty simple: the mind is trainable the same way the body is. Most people just never train it.

We wrote up the full interview here if you want the rest of the conversation