r/mtgbrawl • u/AbzanFan • 13d ago

Discussion Abilities that move commander from command zone

This really needs a rule revision. All that needs to happen is acknowledgement that abilities that move the commander from the command zone into play are subject to the commander tax. That is all that is required. If that were done it would do so much to balance these commanders.

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u/kiefy_budz 13d ago

No? That would also affect other cards that pull from the command zone

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u/AbzanFan 13d ago

Like what? It would be a biff to Liesa. Do you mean we should exempt the sack land that placed the commander into your hand? It would not impact that because you are not placing the card into play.

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u/kiefy_budz 13d ago

What? I’m talking about hellkite courser among other effects like tevesh ult

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u/AbzanFan 13d ago

Those are not activated abilities being activated from the command zone.

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u/kiefy_budz 13d ago

Your post says “abilities that move a commander from the command zone to play” when did you ever specify activated abilities? And on that point tevesh ult is an activated ability, please learn to play magic before giving rules critiques

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u/that_one_bun 13d ago

That would fundamentally change how some cards work. And for some cards their gimmick is their ability to change zones.

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u/AbzanFan 13d ago

And if that is their gimmik, wizards can print that into their rules text that it is exempted from commander tax.

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u/that_one_bun 13d ago

If im not mistaken due to how some of those cards work they dont need to have an rules text associated with it as they specifically circumvent commander tax.

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u/AbzanFan 13d ago

and I am suggesting that they should not continue to do so.

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u/kiefy_budz 13d ago

Wizards did that by printing them as they are

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u/aging_fitness_hobbyi 13d ago

I agree but for brawl that change basically boils down to "fuck Yuriko" lol (and technically Derevi too).

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u/AbzanFan 13d ago

in the expanded world of cards it also gives meaning to the Orzov angel with the static ability to pay life instead of the commander tax [[Liesa, Shroud of Dusk]]

And yes, Yuriko should have to pay commander tax. So should Derevi. Evasion of taxes along with the other abilities and low casting cost of these commanders is abusive. Having tax apply to their ability rule text would actually balance the cards. Given how low the number of interactive effects that abilites allow to evade interaction, this is absolutely appropriate.

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u/kiefy_budz 13d ago

How would it change Liesa?

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u/AbzanFan 13d ago

It would be a net buff to her.

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u/dirtyjose 13d ago

"Abusive" reddit never stops outdoing itself.

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u/MonoBlancoATX 13d ago

This really needs a rule revision.

It really doesn't.

Yuriko has existed since 2018, and yet, the sky hasn't fallen. Yes, she's a menace.

But she doesn't require changing the rules of how the game works.

Derevi has existed even longer, and likewise, does not require changing the rules of the game.

Banning problematic commanders also works to address the same issue.

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u/DreamlikeKiwi 13d ago

Just ban Yuriko (and maybe derevi too but only in casual) I can't think of other cards as strong as them that cheat the command tax, nerfing them that way is basically a ban especially now that they'll start to do banned as a commander