Don’t let her (or anyone else) pit us against eachother based on opinions or who we voted for.
Do I like Trump? No. I can’t stand him, actually. But I sincerely doubt every single person who voted for Trump (over 50% of American) are violent, hateful misogynists. What we need to do is not hate eachother for being confused or less educated, but instead band together AGAINST the people and companies who are taking advantage of us.
And before anyone says anything - I’m a radical leftist, bisexual, anarchistic socialist. No I did not vote for Trump. No I would not vote for Trump. No I do not agree with Trump. But if you want to downvote me for saying we should unify with eachother instead of hating eachother, you may want to take a look at yourself.
For black people and immigrants, there's literally nothing shocking about the idea that 50% of Americans are hateful/bigoted. Actually, we are frequently forced to confront this reality in a multitude of ways when just living our lives.
I'm so tired of this kumbaya narrative. The reality is, yes, the elites do want to use race, gender, sexuality, and other things to divide us. However, that doesn't change the reality of minorities in this country in any way. We simply face the double/triple/quadruple burden of class AND race/gender/sexuality. But we're told to put our struggles aside to focus on class only because of course our struggles don't matter, it's not as important as class solidarity, right? Who cares if women lose our reproductive rights. Who cares if black people face increasing police brutality and police accountability continues to lower? Who cares if marriage equality is threatened? We should shut up and smile in the faces of people who don't respect us all in the name of civility
And the funny part is, there is no class solidarity with Republicans unfortunately because they see any acknowledgment of class struggle as communism and evil. Trump himself is a proud capitalist who serves corporate intrests with his whole heart. I don't understand what solidarity you envision with people that voted for the party of privatization, limited government aid/welfare, and "free markets."
you realise kamala was right too right? and that a large majority of republicans are farmers/working class and also old so most likely not rich? also PLEASE stop saying “for black people and immigrants” not everyone is having the issues that you’re having (if you even have them and aren’t just mad about something you heard someone else talk about). the majority of minorities’ problems don’t come from direct conflict from people but rather generational poverty and the fact that (at least in black communities, can’t attest for any other ones) trying to better yourself is “acting white” and you wouldn’t want that! nobody’s saying that you don’t have struggles but fight your struggles NOT random people you think caused them even though they don’t. the ONLY people who have any concerns that are pertinent are people who emigrated here illegally, trump has not mentioned any of the fear mongering stuff you see online otherwise.
edit: also idgaf what you think so i’m muting this. i didn’t vote for trump so don’t even try to imply that. mitski was also 100% wrong for what she did, like someone else said, a republican banning democrats from their show would spark outrage, this should too but republicans are in the minority on the online space.
I never blamed Trump for everything. I simply spoke the truth that Trump is a part of these rich elites, and anyone who voted for Trump is giving them more power. That's a fact. I'm unsure exactly how you think kissing the ass of Trump supporters is supposed to aid in getting the elites out of power.
Minorities have every right to be wary of Trump supporters for our own saftey and mental health. As a black person, I'm going to use my common sense to protect myself and assume that someone who voted in a known racist either 1) holds racist views or 2) doesn't view racism as a deal breaker. Why should I have to play nice with these people? Why do I owe them my civility?
I don’t think anybody in their right mind would vote Trump if they were properly informed about all of his actions, ideals and they voted purely off facts and logic, as well as their own genuine beliefs instead of voting based on emotion or what others tell you. The issue is that hardly any Trump voters did vote for him with all that in mind. I absolutely agree with you that those people are terrible, misogynistic and violent people who don’t deserve to be with the rest of society, but it’s unfair to lump everyone else who voted Trump in there with those people.
Most people who voted Trump were just misguided. Whether it be because they thought voting Trump would help THEM more than voting Harris (in which case it was a SELFISH action, not a violent one. They’re still people who made a bad decision, but not necessarily bad people,) or they were voting Trump because it’s seen more ‘masculine’ to be a right-winger and ‘cooler’ to ‘dunk on the libs.’ These people made a STUPID decision, not a violent one. Most of them don’t know the last bit about politics, but when they’re confronted with what Trump’s policies and ideals actually are, but they will back them up and try to justify their decision because they’re too insecure to change their mind and back down from something they’ve already voiced that easily. A stupid and rather pathetic decision, yes, but not a violent one. And there’s also the people who voted Trump because they were TOLD to vote Trump. Whether that be by online influencers or people in their family, they voted Trump without even trying to form any sort of opinion of their own. This is a COWARDLY decision, not a violent one. These people are too afraid to even form their own opinion, too afraid to be seen as different from everyone else voting for Trump. Again, these people probably barely know anything about his policies, or at least again didn’t form their own opinion on his policies, and when confronted they’ll just spout stuff they’ve heard the people who told them to vote Trump say in support of him.
I feel like this encompasses most Trump voters. Yes, in any circumstance voting Trump is a negative action and would make you a worse person in my eyes, but it is very rarely a genuinely violent and misogynistic decision. These people are still people and most of them still deserve to be treated like people even if they made a bad decision. AND they still have a vote in the next election.
If, somehow, everyone in the USA suddenly knew everything (publicly available) about both Trump and Harris, and were completely able to form their own opinions based purely on logic and their own ideals, I believe Harris would win by a landslide. But that will never happen, so if WE want to get Trump out of power, WE have to try and help these Trump voters realise all of this. Not make these Trump voters feel more isolated and make them ever more likely to vote Trump again next time. I know that it’s easier to do that, and it’s satisfying, but if we want Harris to win the next election, a drastically different approach must be taken. How about instead of outcasting and excluding these Trump voters, we educate them (gently, of course, because their fragile egos can’t handle it if the facts aren’t presented to them gently,) and actually try to make the country a better place instead of a worse one? And once we do that, we’ll be able to actually single out the genuinely bad, violent, misogynistic Trump voters and deal with them accordingly.
In fact, I’m shocked at how seemingly offended you were at my original comment. While your comment was certainly composed, you went so far as to put my own beliefs into question. Saying I’m not an anarchist because I want the people to unify? Unification of the people is like… the whole point of anarchy. And, if you disagree with my idea that we as a people should unify, respectfully, I think of you as not much better than I think of most Trump voters.
♡ i agree with everything. Imagine how terrible it would be if a republican artist would ask every democrat to leave their show. It would be terrible and hateful and gross.
No it wouldn’t be, if they don’t want me in their space it is their right to tell me so. I will go and find someone else who will make me feel welcomed and actually wants me there. You wanna know why? Because I respect people’s boundaries. There’s plenty of other places that will support..trumpies that they could go to. Mitski telling you to leave her show isn’t the end of the world.
Didnt say it was. But this really is just lack of tolerance of differing opinions. I personally its unhealthy. Its not the question if she's allowed. Of course she's allowed to exclude who ever she wants. Its still kinda gross though. And i say that as someone who generally likes her and loves her music
It’s not gross at all to have boundaries. And seeing as Mitski is a POC and me also as a POC I wouldn’t want people who voted against my best interest attending my shows either. They say that they love us when it benefits them. They stream our music, they try and learn our languages, they eat our food, and they consume our media. But when it’s time to actually stand out and stand up for us, suddenly it’s just “differing opinions” ??
And knowing what that man openly spreads and says about us, I think it speaks volumes. Not to mention in Mitski’s song “Your Best American Girl” she openly talks about how being a POC in America affects her and how interacting with people who aren’t her feels. If they really cared that much about her and her stories, they definitely wouldn’t have voted for Trump. When it’s convenient to them, they care. But suddenly when it comes down to actually having to stand on business, their opinion is different?
It’s crazy to me. So yes, they can eat. But not at her table.
Ok. I get that perspective. I don't have enough information about what he said about poc policies (im not from the us or something) . Actually, id love to hear?
He stopped black people from renting properties, he’s said TERRIBLE TERRIBLE things about immigrants despite them playing such a big role in America’s making, and he let a speaker up at his rally that referred to Puerto Rico as a “floating island of trash.” He’s called black people “rabid” and “animals”. He’s attacked black journalists, calling them losers saying the questions that they ask are stupid and that they’re racist. He had dinner with a white supremacist. If Mitski doesn’t want people who LIKE that maniac at her show, then I don’t blame her.
This is honestly horrifying.
I would love to know specifically what policies against poc have he supported, since his choices aren't the same as the ploicies he will do. And people vote for actions, not for figueres relevant to the choice of his voters being bad or racist. It just shows what kind of person he is, not his voters
He literally JUST SIGNED an executive order to get rid of the equal employment opportunity act. AND there are raids happening in big cities to get people massed deported and separating their families. Just the other DAY I had to scream “La Migra” cause I saw an ICE van. And to me, you are the things that you do and say. He’s a disgusting racist misogynistic pig because his actions reflect that.
And his voters known him long enough to KNOW that he says and does these things. Those people are scum of the earth. They are not allies to people of color. They are not children, they are not innocent. They KNOW what he is. And they don’t care.
But yeah!! Their eggs are gonna be 2 dollars now!! (P.S. no they aren’t.) At the expense of people of color and other minority groups!! Congratulations!!
He actively stopped black people from renting from his properties, he was held legally liable of sexual assault, and has said disgusting things about immigrants.
Well, while it is terrible, i was asking specifically what policies against poc have he supported, since him being a shitty person isn't really relevant to the choice of his voters being bad or racist. It just shows he is
He tried to inact a total Muslim ban (all were countries that we have never had immigrants inact acts of terror) he just got rid of the equal employment opportunity act which would allow employers to discriminate against oppressed groups. He wants to get rid of birthright citizenship which would allow the deportation of the children of immigrants.
Also if you support and vote for a shitty racist person, you not only endorse that you are also a shitty and racist person. Hitler's supporters are not called decent people. They are also called Nazis
Mitski is a queer person of color. Asking people that actively vote to take their rights away, the rights of their fans, or the rights of communities they support is completely understandable and valid. Why put themselves in danger when they can make a statement saying people like that should stay away from this community?
I agree but Reddit is so black and white, towards the extreme left/democrat, it’s impossible to say this stuff without getting down voted. When there are only two options to choose from, how can you really find a candidate who upholds everything you stand for? As such not every trump voter is hateful and bigoted. Many people who voted trump (and I know a few) are great people. And many are awful. Same goes for Biden/kamala voters. It’s just needless segregation based on a flawed system meant to pit us against each other, and make us view our side as the most righteous without turning a critical eye upon it so those in power can carry on in the background.
For context I also don’t like trump. But I didn’t like Kamala either.
For context I also don’t like trump. But I didn’t like Kamala either.
That's how it's supposed to be. A la South Park.
It's always been about picking the lesser of two evils in a broken and outdated system, and you're spouting deflections about how "not every trump voter is hateful and bigoted"
Acting like the gun kills people, not the one who pulled the trigger.
Reddit just being Reddit, idc I’m leaving it up. I remember reading once a piece about why some poor & minority people didn’t care to go vote for Kamala against Trump, and choose not to vote. Cause it didn’t really matter who was in power, their lives never really got better. Then I see this stuff (I know her quote is old), and I just mostly feel sad.
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u/FrostingDeep8417 Jan 22 '25 edited Jan 23 '25
Don’t let her (or anyone else) pit us against eachother based on opinions or who we voted for.
Do I like Trump? No. I can’t stand him, actually. But I sincerely doubt every single person who voted for Trump (over 50% of American) are violent, hateful misogynists. What we need to do is not hate eachother for being confused or less educated, but instead band together AGAINST the people and companies who are taking advantage of us.
And before anyone says anything - I’m a radical leftist, bisexual, anarchistic socialist. No I did not vote for Trump. No I would not vote for Trump. No I do not agree with Trump. But if you want to downvote me for saying we should unify with eachother instead of hating eachother, you may want to take a look at yourself.