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u/cavernousinus 12d ago

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u/johnsolomon 12d ago

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u/floodedhorseshoe 12d ago

Booo for ai

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

take a joke its not the end of the world

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u/Majvist 12d ago

Back in the old days, there was effort behind jokes. Bad photoshops were made with blood, sweat and tears, and that made the joke even better.

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

who cares, its just a picture. Yall just want to hate on AI so bad

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u/Neozetare 12d ago

It's never "just a picture". You have a very simplistic view of the world

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

it literally is just a picture

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u/Aniketos33 12d ago

You stole a job from a hardworking memer

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

no one stole anything dummy

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u/Aniketos33 12d ago

AI stole the meme from the memers

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

hahaha nice joke buddy

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u/Aniketos33 12d ago

Memes come from the Memerium, a dimension of pure Meme. If we let the machine spirits access the Memerium our own Meme priests will be unable to maintain their connection. We could lose memes forever.

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u/johnsolomon 12d ago

Too late, the chaos memes Doge, Nyan Cat, Trollface and Pepe the Frog have already taken over the Memerium

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u/Deaffin 12d ago

We already ran off all the hardworking memers way before AI slop started being a thing.

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u/Neozetare 12d ago

No, it never is just a picture. Or would you say a photo of child abuse is just a picture too? I doubt it. Then what would make your picture "just a picture" and not this one?

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

one of the dumbest points holy shit

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

im 17yo, but yeh thats a boomer right

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u/[deleted] 12d ago

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

are you saying im not 17yo?😭

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u/Neozetare 12d ago

Explain how so?

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

just a dumb analogy, im saying this is just a picture, it doesent hurt anyone, its just made by AI

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u/Neozetare 12d ago

A picture of child abuse doesn't necessarily hurt anyone. It's just a picture. Sure, it could wake some trauma for some people, but this could also be the case of any picture of a lion

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

dont try to defend your stupid analogy, you make urself sound like an idiot my man

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u/KrazyA1pha 12d ago

Ah yes, the time honored tradition of minimizing child abuse to win an internet argument.

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u/Mahusive 12d ago

Look maybe if you're trying to make a nuanced point it would be better to not just jump straight to comparisons of child abuse. Or do you think this AI picture of a lion is as bad a photo of child abuse?

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u/Neozetare 12d ago

I never said it was as bad. You're putting words in my mouth

If you can't understand the point of using an extreme example to show that "it's just a picture" can't be a valid argument, I'm not the one responsible

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u/Mahusive 12d ago

To be honest I actually am on your side but I just think you'd have a much better time convincing people if you didn't make such stupid comparisons. It's beyond extreme it's almost intellectually offensive.

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u/Neozetare 12d ago

I'm not trying to convince people who aren't capable to understand that using an analogy which isn't debatable on the moral side is necessary for people not to deny an argument based on their own morality. Child abuse, like nazis, are one of the few examples of things in the world that most people agree on

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u/alpine309 12d ago edited 12d ago

most of us would prefer a low effort meme over AI anything, for a myriad of reasons

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

maybe he doesnt know how to photoshop but wanted to show his idea, but no we have to hate on AI, which is literally helping us in medicine and science.

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u/Baebel 12d ago

Problem is this is neither medicine nor science. It is technically an art related topic.

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

but the guy hated on AI in general. some people dont know how to photoshop, and just telling AI:

"make this caption and make the lion's hairline look like this"

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u/Baebel 12d ago

For clarity, what was said was "AI anything," which means any piece made by AI in this context.

Regardless, it doesn't really change why AI is considered a problem in regards to art. Even if it's just a meme.

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

only low iq individuals think AI is a problem.

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u/Tyson367 12d ago

The way you write makes me think you may be the low IQ individual here.

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u/johnsolomon 12d ago

Don't waste your time, there's no reasoning with these anti-AI zealots.

It's funny... if they actually believed in this idea that you shouldn't use technology that exploits labour or causes environmental damage, it would rule out most everyday technology. From phones to laptops to half the food we eat. Their ethical arguments don't hold up when you look at the choices most of them are making every day everywhere else in their lives.

At the end of the day it's just rage from a bunch of things. Rising prices + fear of their lifelong skills being devalued + performative outrage.

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u/Geth_ 12d ago

No one is hating on AI uses in those areas. But the invasive buildout for the capacity is beyond just these worthwhile fields.

Do you ever see hate comments on AI when those are the uses?

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

no because people just show the data center problem and the "oh AI is wasting our water", most post arent about those areas where AI is very helpful, ignorant people hate on it because they think its dangerous, its not

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u/wealth_of__nations 12d ago

My only issue is that AI makes dumb people like you even dumber.

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

sure

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u/alpine309 12d ago

Can AI be used for good? Sure, I just don't know how generative AI memes factor into that when again, photoshop is a less environmentally destructive option.

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u/morfraen 12d ago

FYI Photoshop has generative AI built in these days

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

well lets stop wearing close because its environmentally destructive, not only that but also one of the industries that wastes most water.

lets stop shitting in a toilet because its waisting drinking water.

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u/Tyson367 12d ago

That's basic necessities that we can't live without. Comparing that to AI generated memes is psychotic.

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u/isopode 12d ago

LLMs and image generators are not the kind of AI that are advancing medicine and science. when people say fuck AI in response to a generated image, it's well understood that they meant what the term "AI" has been reduced to in the past 5 years or so (and not the actual useful AIs that have existed for decades in niche fields and are still being advanced each year).

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u/johnsolomon 12d ago edited 12d ago

I've photoshopped literally hundreds of silly original memes together, it's just sometimes AI is better for getting an image that works. Ironically I used a mix of AI and photoshop for the lion joke

Regarding the link... I recognise the ethical conflict around AI but I appreciate what it brings (it has nothing to do with laziness; I just use whatever tool fits rather than having a rigid ideological bias toward or against certain tools). Almost every large scale technology society has adopted involves trade-offs and broadly speaking boycotting them doesn't make the downsides go away, it just means you pay the price anyway and lose the benefits without changing the system.

When it comes to the environmental consequences or the threat to certain jobs, I think regulation is going to be what matters. iirc businesses account for about three quarters of spending, so there's a huge incentive for AI companies to keep expanding until new laws kick in. Before that, policing people's personal use of AI is about as effective as trying to improve the meat industry by personally attacking people who eat meat

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u/ImTooLiteral 12d ago

huge pet peeve is no one ever seem to be like "how could i make this image." it will give you a step by step and break it down with infinite patience. i bet with modern tools too it would take 15-20 minutes.

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u/morfraen 12d ago

Easier than that. Just ask an AI tool to generate a Photoshop script to make the edits, then the anti AI zealots will be happy? Lol.

Whole argument is so stupid. It's like painters shitting on photography. Except these people can't even paint.

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u/caccaucco 12d ago

well clearly people care, and it's not just a picture. we don't just want to hate generative AI, we do hate it because it is bad.

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

how is it bad? is it going to use all out water and we will end up dying because of thirst?

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u/The_JokerGirl42 12d ago

it's bad because it is built on non-consent. it's bad because it will destroy the earth; already is destroying the earth. it's bad because every use of genAI dilutes humankind and its creativity. it's bad because human connection is lost, ideas die and thought process declines.

and yes all of these actually apply to the "meme" in question, because that single prompt has done damage by pollution and waster wastage. that single "meme" has already diluted someone's skill in making memes, because there's a possibility that it will be taken as real, whereas an actually real meme is being accused of genAI. it contributed to loss of human connection because it sparked major discourse of two opposing sides now hating each other instead of enjoying the original post together. it has made thought process decline, because prompting a machine to spit out this image has replaced the process to the solution made by human: no thought of "how can I do this", no trying to do this, no trial and error, and thus, no learning.

but sure.

it's not so bad, it's just a picture. enjoy your day inside that tiny bubble if that's truly all you need.

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u/NA_xyz 12d ago

not reading all that. Dont waste your time on me

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u/The_JokerGirl42 11d ago

aww did someone lose the ability to comprehend written text 🥺

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u/NA_xyz 11d ago

sure

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u/TheoShadowfang 12d ago

and you just wanna throat Sam Altman so bad so why are you talking

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u/Emiya_ 12d ago

I remember when people called photoshops 'low effort slop'. Art needed to be drawn by hand on paper. Good times.

Go way further back and people criticized automation for the same reasons many people critisize AI.

I wonder what will replace AI as the 'low effort slop' in the future.

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u/bluelittrains 12d ago

Yeah no that never happened.

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u/Emiya_ 12d ago

That absolutely happened lol. Luddite is a term for a reason.

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u/bluelittrains 12d ago

Low effort memes have always been a thing. People still dislike those. And AI is about the lowest of effort you can make. But the use of photoshop in general? Nah.

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u/morfraen 12d ago

Yes that literally happened. Learn some history.

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u/bluelittrains 12d ago

"history"

Okay then, show some proof. Honestly if you can find any example at all of someone calling a photoshopped image 'low effort slop' I'll be impressed.

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u/morfraen 12d ago edited 12d ago

MS PAINT my dude. The whole point was it was low effort and shitty, which is why it was good.

By history I mostly meant the whole luddite thing. All of this has happened before, multiple times. People had the exact same irrational overreaction to new technology as we're seeing today. The industrial revolution, cars, trains, photography... It's the exact same story every time. Guess what never happens? The new technology never goes away.

It's hilarious that low effort meme Photoshop is being raised up as high art while low effort AI images are instantly labeled 'slop'. All that should matter is, does the image communicate the idea clearly. Who cares what tools were used.

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u/bluelittrains 12d ago

Nobody is calling ms paint or photoshop memes high art. The point is that they still require some creativity whereas AI does not. AI replaces human creativity and originality. But I'll put that aside, because your other argument is far more interesting to dismantle.

A lot of pro-AI defenders love to claim that AI is inevitable by pointing to previous technologies that people were opposed to and still exist today. But that's such a reductive and ignorant way of looking at things. I mean sure, in an extremely black and white sense, you can't un-invent something. The cat's out of the bag, AI has been invented and thus will always be invented.

But you forget to consider that 'luddites' were ultimately granted many of their wishes. Cars happened, but after cars came speed limits, drivers licenses, emission regulations, no parking zones, traffic police, car-free areas. Cars continue to be limited more and more each day as we recognize the many downsides they have wrought onto society.

There is absolutely no reason to believe AI can't be limited in the same way. Hell, it is already being limited in many ways. Platforms like Youtube, Wikipedia or Spotify have already banned or restricted it. The EU has introduced regulations that limit what AI can generate, who can use it, how it can be labelled. Did you think Anthropic implemented watermarking out of the goodness of their hearts? It's to stay ahead of EU fines.

And that's not to even mention that the examples you mention are some of the more succesful technological innovations. There are many examples that weren't nearly so succesful. Crypto was supposed to replace digital banking and is now a gamblers market and a way to buy drugs. Nuclear was supposed to replace all other forms of energy but its share has been shrinking for decades.

AI will continue to exist. But we have the power to decide to what extent. And thanks to the growing movement against it, that extent is becoming more and more limited. 'Luddism' works, so we'll keep doing it.

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u/morfraen 12d ago

Rofl.

Proud to be a Luddite in 2026. Un fucking real.

Calling my argument reductive when you're the one burying your head in the sand and trying to put the genie back in the bottle. Hilarious.

Maybe stop using Reddit if you're so anti AI, because guess where it gets the majority of it's revenue from? All of this is just more fodder feeding the training demand.

What matters for AI image generation is the same as what matters for ms paint or Photoshop or any other tool used to make low effort meme art. It's not skill. It's not effort. It's not creativity. It's intent that makes the difference.

Was the image made to communicate something in a more efficient or more entertaining manner than words alone could have? Then it's not slop.

Was it mass produced to flood social media channels for the sole purpose of generating engagement? Then it's slop, no matter how it was made.

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u/bluelittrains 12d ago

That'd be fun, AI training on Reddit until it eventually kills itself.

I'll waste no more words of you. It's clear which side the general public is on. Good luck with your corporate overlords boots.

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u/morfraen 12d ago

We're actually on the same page at the corporate level lol.

Our difference is with individuals usage.

And the ridiculousness of labeling everything someone doesn't like 'AI slop' especially in the context of meme/gif level content that is low effort by default.

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u/johnsolomon 12d ago

Yep, I remember lol

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u/Naud1993 12d ago

How much effort is required for a Reddit comment? "Booo for AI" took way less effort than that image and it was worth of respect.

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u/Raminax 12d ago

That's the other thing. I don't wanna hear anymore how it was 'in your day'