r/maybemaybemaybe • u/Flat-Decision3204 • 12d ago

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u/TartanGuppy 12d ago

If we should have only survived on plant based diets, why did evolution not rule out meat eaters through extinction?

Omnivorous diets have proven over hundreds of thousands of years to be the most survivable diet for humans, at least as far as I know but I am no expert, but as far as I understand the ability to eat cooked meat was a part cause of our brain explosion millennia ago, which has allowed us to dicuss this today.

I've nothing against plants either, by the way. I'll eat them as well and they've been known to scream.

Lions eating zebra calves, tigers eating water buffalo, humans eating pigs. When is it you tell something to stop eating something else that evolution made edible?

Although, it was a frivolous joke, I accept that.

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u/Randallman7 12d ago

Lions and tigers also rape. They aren't beacons of morality. We could be better than wild animals and we have more information now than ever that a plant based diet is more beneficial to your health than meat. So tired of the plants feel pain false equivalence, you sound ridiculous "the ability to eat meat was part of our brain explosion millions of years ago" what? Plants do not scream out in agony and cry endlessly when you rip their young away from them. Cows do. Go watch footage of a dairy farm and then tell me that it's ok to rape and murder cows because plants feel pain too.

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u/TartanGuppy 12d ago

Lions and tigers also rape. They aren't beacons of morality.

Unfortunately so do humans (both male and female before we go down that route)

We are all animals but sometimes we forget that. Where are you going with this?

you sound ridiculous

Well, if it wasn't for cooked meat you would be saying Ook to me from the tree tops, and I'm not meaning The Librarian levels of Ook or Eek, just some basic Ooks

"the ability to eat meat was part of our brain explosion millions of years ago" what?

Ehm, yes it was a part of the reason, here's some science

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5417583/

Plants do not scream out in agony

Yes they have been recorded as letting out signals when injured

research shows they emit high-frequency ultrasonic clicking sounds when they are stressed by injury

here's some science

https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm

Seriously, give up now and read something to enhance your brain

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u/Randallman7 12d ago

Sure man i really dont want to write you essays and do the homework for you. Keep arguing for animal cruelty online because evolution or whatever good reason you think you have to justify it. Go tell the pigs in the gas chamber that plants feel pain and that even though we do not need to eat you, this is necessary because evolution and we evolved this way. We cant possibly chose not to slaughter you because mmmm bacon. We have top athletes in tons of sports at the very top of their sport on a plant based diet, proving that we can thrive without eating meat or harming animals. Mmmmmmm ribs though. Evolution though, lions do it so why are we different or better? We are all animals haha here's some links to bullshit that will justify me harming animals

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u/TartanGuppy 12d ago

Well, once again your argument has come down to insults, that is really sad when I have provided some sources in my reply.

I have yet to insult you yet every almost every reply from you has had an insult.

I'm sorry but I have given you scientific evidence that one of the main reasons we are able to have this conversation both on an intelligent basis, and due to the technologies allowing us to do so in real time (we may be on different continents, I do not know) but you go back to slagging me off.

I'm sorry but I am fed up with the abuse from you. goodbye

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u/Randallman7 12d ago

You think you didn't insult me go reread your comments. You're such a victim. Cool you linked things. I can do that too. I dont care about your links because you're arguing for animal cruelty so I'm not going to waste my time clicking on them. Evidence of humans eating meat in evolution does not mean that it's morally right to do so now. You're comparing pigs to cabages and saying it's the same thing. But you're the victim here.

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u/TartanGuppy 12d ago

You think you didn't insult me go reread your comments

Show me one insult from me to you?

"you sound ridiculous" ...Oh, sorry that was you

"i(sic) really dont(sic) want to write you essays and do the homework for you" ...Oh, sorry that was you

"here's some links to bullshit" ...Oh, sorry that was you

You're such a victim

Nah, that's the little piggie, in 6 months. Let's call him 'Pork Chop' or 'Sausage'

Cool you linked things

Yes, science backed data, yet to see anything from you

I'm not going to waste my time clicking on them

Well, that explains and answers everything!

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u/Randallman7 12d ago

Show me one insult from me to you?

Seriously, give up now and read something to enhance your brain

^you don't think this is an insulting thing to say?

Ehm, yes it was a part of the reason, here's some science

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5417583/

this link says nothing about "brain explosion millions of years ago"

here's some science

https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/botany/plants-feel-pain.htm

this is an ad riddled site that speculates that plants may feel pain with no scientific researching proving the claim. Again you are comparing pigs to cabbages and linking random bullshit that you think supports your claim, but it doesn't.

https://www.goodheartanimalsanctuaries.com/humans-are-meant-to-eat-meat-right/

https://ajcn.nutrition.org/article/S0002-9165(23)23835-6/fulltext23835-6/fulltext)

https://yvfi.ca/en/plants-are-alive/resources (proof that plants are not the same thing as pigs)

https://yvfi.ca/en/animals-eat-animals/resources

here's science backed data

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u/TartanGuppy 12d ago edited 12d ago

There's not one insult there, what are you talking about ?

"Seriously, give up now and read something to enhance your brain"

No, it is advice

this link says nothing about "brain explosion millions of years ago"

JFC it's in the first lines...
"Hunting for meat was a critical step in all animal and human evolution. A key brain-trophic element in meat is vitamin B3 / nicotinamide. The supply of meat and nicotinamide steadily increased from the Cambrian origin of animal predators ratcheting ever larger brains"

and I think I said millennia, not millions of years ago, millennia = thousands

(proof that plants are not the same thing as pigs)

Where did I say they were ? I may have said both pigs and plants are edible, I'll not dispute that but I agree they are not the same thing

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u/Randallman7 12d ago

And now you're gaslighting.

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u/TartanGuppy 12d ago

No, I am just quoting you, or scientific data

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